It is clear that we are not communicating. I have no idea why an object has to know anything about it's attributes for it to have those attributes.
Again, nothing helpful - as usuall. Bob.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!" - Benjamin Franklin From: "Raimo Korhonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No, even if there are 6 sides in a number of snowflakes, the number is not there. The snowflake does not know it and neither does the water vapour it is formed of. I might be wrong but we have a lot of snow here sometimes - but no snowflake with any number has been observed. > And "the universal constant of gravitation can be calculated" - yeah, sure, anything can be *calculated* - but it´s not those uranium balls (i.e. nature) doing the calculations (and how do you find uranium balls in nature, anyway). > I think it would be helpful to photography if we could look at it just as it is - painting by numbers has not advanced art very much. IMHO it is the content which proves a photo good or not-so-good. > All the best! > Raimo > Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho > > -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- > Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Päivä: 29. joulukuuta 2002 22:07 > Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section > > > >I'm not sure I understand what you wrote but I'll give it a try. > > > >> Tell me one instance when a number has been observed in the nature. > > > >A undisturbed snowflakes (part of nature) have 6 (a number) sides, why. > > > >When dropping a dense (to reduce the part played by friction) object (things > >fall in nature as in apples from trees) they are observed to accelerate at > >32.17 feet per second per second. > > > >When two large, dense (lead or uranium) balls are hung side by side but not > >touching, the universal constant of gravitation can be calculated. > > > >Various sunflowers have a differing numbers of seed spirals. The number is > >always, not usually, always a Fibonacci number. > > > >> Lots of numbers can be found in the observations of nature which > >> describe it - but these numbers are just descriptions. The laws are > >> calculated afterwards. > > > >This would not make the laws invalid, however it's not always this way. > >Maxwell's Laws predicted all sorts of things never observed in nature at the > >time but which I now use in predicting electromagnetic propagation and in > >designing antennas. > > > >Einstein's Theory of Relativity was based on his notion that the speed of > >light is constant regardless of the motion of the observers, a fact not > >shown (measured) until after it was published. The mathematics predicted > >strange things never before observed in nature but which were observed in > >nature afterward. Things such as dilation of time, increase of mass in > >objects as they are accelerated to within significant fractions of the speed > >of light, the bending of light as it travels past a massive object. > > > >It usually works the other way around because of the nature of man. We look > >at something and wonder to ourselves... why? How much? This is due entirely > >to the nature of man, not to the numbers later observed in nature. > > > >Now, many of us have observed that some art is held in high regard in nearly > >all cultures and has weathered the exceptionally well over time. Not being > >arrogant bastards, (at least in this respect) it is natural for us to ask > >the question... why? > > > >Some have offered time accepted starting points (helpful). Others post only > >to tear down (not helpful). Perhaps you would now care to be helpful, > >instead of wasting bandwidth with questions whose answers, in any form, true > >or false, cannot aid folks trying to improve themselves. > > > >Hell, I'm asking the question! Are you up to it? > > > >Regards, > >Bob.... > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!" > > - Benjamin Franklin > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Raimo Korhonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 10:47 AM > >Subject: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section > > > > > >> It is the other way round. Tell me one instance when a number has been > >observed in the nature. Lots of numbers can be found in the observations of > >nature which describe it - but these numbers are just descriptions. The laws > >are calculated afterwards. > >> Next you will be arguing that nature follows photographs? > >> All the best! > >> Raimo > >> Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
