In a message dated 1/3/2003 5:07:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> >1. What color ARE color negatives? (color print film)<
> 
> inverted, at least.
> 
> >2. Who's to say the original 4x6 prints are right? (Right in the sense
> that they show the color the camera recorded at the time?)<
> 
> nothing says that.

Kind of what I suspected. :-)

> >3. But if one lab can develop color prints a different color than another
> lab can develop them, how can I ever tell if *I* had ANYTHING to do with
> the color they come out? <
> 
> you have some influence, but not a lot. you take a picture of something
> remotely resembling normal contrast and color across your whole roll and
> they are likelty to get it right. take 24 pictures of a red barn door and
> you could get anything back.

That is what is so strange to me. I mean logically I get how the machine needs a color 
range (wheel) to set a color standard, but it still seems weird -- counterintuitive 
that one roll of one color would create problems.

> >4. What color is actually there? How come any machine cannot look at color
> negatives and arrive at the same color in the prints?<
> 
> printing from negative film means inverting the color and subtracting the
> orange mask. that means there isn't any color to look at to tell what the
> results should be. also, each machine can be configured differently
> according to the operator, and the results also depend on how timely the
> machine is maintained. worn out chemicals means worse color.

I've been wondering how much can be operator preference.
 
> >5. This is why people use slide film isn't it? Because the developing
> process doesn't change the color? And because the photographer can see what
> color the pictures really came out?<
> 
> yes.
> 
> >6. *Is* the developing of color slide film accurate? (i.e. Do slides come
> out the color the camera recorded?<
> 
> in an absolute sense, no. all films distort color, even color slide. the
> question is how much under what conditions. learning the amount and either
> compensating for more neutral results or using it creatively is a huge
> amount of what experience is about.

Got it. That I have yet to acquire, but I will acquire some for sure.

> for publication work, color slides are still the standard and being able to
> look at a slide and know what color was intended is one reason it came to
> dominate. digital files are taking over, but it is a far slower process
> than i would like.
> 
> like Mark Roberts, i have decided quite a while ago to scan and print
> myself almost all of the time. when i can't because of size or permanence
> requirements, i supply a digital file and a printed sample 
> for color
> reference.
> Herb...

Thanks! Doe aka Marnie

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