Pål wrote:

"However, there are some reasons for optimism. The
rather ambitious goal of 20% marketshare for DSLR's,
can only indicate that Pentax have a total revamp of
their camera line-up's in store."

This seems most likely. DSLR's have opened up the
playing field quite a bit. Just look at the digital
P&S market. Sony is a big player, as well as
Panasonic, who jumped on board right away. They never
made film P&S's. Mind you P&S buyers are far different
from DSLR buyers. The Pro segment may not change
unless Pentax has something that is really great & not
half-baked like the MZ-S (though I like the MZ-S).

We'll have to wait & see.

Peter



--- Pål_Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alex wrote:
> 
> I bet Pentax will sell every *istD they can make,
> even maybe if they price
> it slightly higher. The main concern is if they can
> recover the R&D costs
> (and make some profit) before replacing it (100D and
> 10D are older and sells
> in higher volume). I'd really like to know how an
> *istD-like camera costs
> (R&D+manufacturing)...
> I'm optimist, however: I think Pentax will survive
> :-))
> 
> 
> REPLY:
> I'm afraid I'm not very optimistic regarding the
> *ist D's fate in the marketplace. There are three
> fundamental problems with the camera: 1) it is not
> entry level enough to make an impact. By this I mean
> it is just a "me too" compared to the D10 and the
> D100 and has no obvious price advantage compared to
> those. It will face hard competition from
> forthcoming, cheaper DSLR's. 2) Design. The *istD is
> ugly with no design flair thats going to convince
> anyone. It is not one of those hip digital products
> (like the Optio S) that sells on looks alone. Nor is
> it one of those classic great Pentax designs. It
> small size is not going to be seen as compelling
> enough for the majority of users. Small size works
> as selling argument when the products are
> "conceptually small" as well. The *ist D looks just
> like a shrinken big cameras whereas small slr's from
> the past had a "small look" like the OM series and
> Pentax M's. 3) Pentax brand image has deteriorated
> significantly during the last decade!
>   as the company have only been concerned about
> short term profit instead of innovation and
> long-term staying power. Pentax have deliberately
> traded marketshare for SLR's for profit. Its going
> to be hard to reestablish their former glory (20-30%
> market share). Also, Pentax lacks the compelling
> technology and perceived lens line-up completeness
> of the main competition (Minolta have announced USM
> lenses) and therefore will be seen as less
> desireable. The *ist D will mainly sell to existing
> Pentax users, and that may well be all Pentax is
> aiming for. 
> 
> However, there are some reasons for optimism. The
> rather ambitious goal of 20% marketshare for DSLR's,
> can only indicate that Pentax have a total revamp of
> their camera line-up's in store. At least if their
> claim is going to be taken even remotely serious.
> Pentax must at least be on equal term with the
> competition in technology and line-up in order to
> achieve such a goal. There will be four mayor player
> in the DSLR market by 2005. One of them will have
> the largest slice of the market (Canon). Hence, 20%
> market share, which Pentax aims for, is a
> considerable share. The president of Pentax have
> quoted the last year of saying that company will
> make a new, more compact 67 (it must, in my opinion,
> mean motorized film transport (and why not? the
> camera is totally battery dependent anyway) and
> quite possibly AF when their at it; a digital
> solution for the 645 system; and two additional (to
> the *istD) 35mm DSLR's - one novice model and a pro
> camera. Earlier it has been stated that P!
>  entax will have three film slr's in the line-up as
> well and it now seems reasonable to assume  that
> they are siblings of the three DSLR's. Finally, the
> long awaited flagship is in the cards and before
> 2005 as well. 
> I fell pretty confident that the latest
> modifications of the lens mount imply a change to
> USM AF system. Such a move sort of explains it all.
> If Pentax makes USM lenses there are no real reason
> not to not use the opportunity to change to a fully
> electronic lenses mount. After all, such lenses will
> be of limited use and value on older cameras anyway
> as their AF won't function. If such a move is in the
> plans, it follows that there are no real incentive
> to maintain backwards compatibility to lenses older
> than the "A" series in entry and mid level lenses
> when such compatibility is inevitably going to be
> absent in forthcoming high-end lenses. This is all
> speculation on my part, but this scenario explains
> both the Limited lenses and the MZ-S. Basically,
> they are stepping stone, or upgrade paths if you
> like, from older cameras and lenses to the
> forthcoming models. It is no coincidence, is
> suspect, that the Limiteds echo some of the
> "classic" K lenses incompatible with the *istD (an!
>  d possibly forthcoming bodies). They provide and
> alternative that can be used on future bodies. The
> MZ-S provides a similar stepping stone in interface
> as it has a hybrid interface between LX-type and Z-1
> type. It also has built and material quality more
> reminiscent of classic periods. A metal body,
> perhaps even weather sealed, could be expected for
> the pro body. 
> 
> Pål
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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