Hello Shel,

Best description that I can give is that with a matte, when it is in
focus it is clear, when it is out of focus it is kind of opaque.  The
finer the matte, the more translucent it is - this makes it harder to
tell between in/out of focus.

The assumption with many AF cameras is that the user wouldn't normally
use manual focus, so they put in a finer matte that brightens up the
finder a bit and compensates for the smallness.  The downside is that
it makes it harder to manually focus.

Even so, I still prefer a matte - I find that the focusing aids get in
the way quite often.  Not much different than AF in the middle.  My
composition usually doesn't have the subject dead center, so using the
focusing aid requires me to recompose after focusing.  At smaller
f-stops the focus aid (especially split prism) blacks out and is worse
than useless.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, February 17, 2004, 4:53:36 PM, you wrote:

SB> Well, there y'go ... never used a straight matte screen ...

SB> What do you mean by "finer?"

SB> Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Shel,
>> 
>> Some of us always preferred a straight matte screen even in manual
>> focus bodies.  Whenever I have had a camera that could change focusing
>> screens I have always replaced the standard with a matte screen.
>> 
>> The bigger problem with the AF camera screens is that they are
>> brighter and finer which can make focusing with the matte more
>> difficult.
>> 
>> So far, on the PZ-1p, MZ-S, *ist and *istD I have had no trouble
>> focusing manually - that is my norm.
>> 
>> Size of viewfinder can also have a negative effect - the ZX-M even
>> with focus aids was rather small.
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>> 
>> Tuesday, February 17, 2004, 4:21:04 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>> SB> I understood (and recall from looking) that the viewfinders
>> SB> on AF cameras don't have focusing aids, like the screens in
>> SB> the LX, et al, and therefore aren't as good for manual
>> SB> focusing.  Can't recall a single AF viewfinder that had such
>> SB> aids.
>> 
>> SB> Christian wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The VF in the ist-D is surprisingly good.  I had an LX before the D and was
>> >> pretty spoiled (by 35mm standards).  Compare the D to the Olympus E-1 or
>> >> Nikon D-100 and the D is the big winner.
>> >>
>> >> With a bright lens like the 85/1.8, it's gotta be operator error because I
>> >> have no problems focusing the D with a 300/4 with a 2x TC... and my eyes
>> >> are bad!
>> >>
>> >> Christian
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:32 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: SMCT 85 struggling on *istD?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I'd say you screwed up the focusing ... let's face it, from
>> >> > what I understand the VF in the newer cameras are not
>> >> > designed for manual focusing.
>> >> >
>> >> >



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