Adam wrote: >Fascism is a form of socialism. You have got that totally wrong, Adam, no doubt in my mind. But you can believe that if you want. That will probably serve the right wing well. Of course right-wing people, already in power, want you to believe that.
In my mind the incident concerning Salvodor Allende in Chile - a democtratically elected socialist president, who was removed and killed by right-wing forces and replaced with Pinochet - a fascist military general - proves beyond any doubt, that fascism and socialism is two opposite philosophies. Tell the people of Chile, that socialism and fascism is one and the same thing. Tell this to all the families who lost their loved ones to the fascist regime. I'm sure they will agree with you! Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. februar 2006 19:20 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Religion, Christ vs. the Other Guy Jens, Fascism is a form of socialism. However, Stalin, who never had any contact with Fascists before acquiring power, was certainly not a Fascist. He was a tyrant, and a communist, but far more the former than the latter, and persecuted anyone who might challenge him or oppose him (including anyone who openly supported true marxist socialism, like Trotsky). Fascism was invented by a communist newspaper editor by the name of Benito Mussolini. The only other Fascist leader to actually take power was Franco in Spain, the term is used very inappropriately to describe collectivist Nationalist dictatorships. National Socialism actually predates Fascism (The NSDAP was founded at the end of WW1, although it wouldn't acquire an explicit ideological platform until 1923 with Mein Kampf), and has had many more imitators. In fact the Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party was founded in 1943 explicitly as a Arab version of the National Socialist German Workers Party. It later grew into the brutal regimes that would rule Iraq from 1968 to 2003 and Syria to this day. Hugo Chavez in Venezuela today is drawing heavily from the NSDAP playbook (Right down to forming his own version of the SA), albeit with a more explicitly Internationalist Socialist ideology and a distinct lack of racism (Anti-americanism is sufficing in replacement, but the only real requirement of the tactic is a group that is either external or isolated and generally disliked to blame all their woes on). -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: > Collin: > Hitler or Stalin never wanted to let the people rule, which I believe is > fundamental a socialistic philosophy. They just wanted power AND wealth. > They didn't even want democracy as weknow it. > > It has been proven - by research made in Russia - after the fall of the > USSR - that Stalin systematically persecuted supporters of the socialistic > philosophy. They were imprisoned, tortured and finally forced to admit too > crimes they never committed. Then executed. That's a fact. Stalin was NOT a > socialist as far as I'm concerned. He was an opportunist - and a fascist one > at that. > > All the best > Jens > > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 02/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 02/16/2006
