It's the journey of study that is stimulated by your obvious and healthy doubt. In many cases, "garbage" is that generated by ones lack of acceptance.
Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said... I really don't care that much about philosophy. > > But for you to make a blanket statement regarding "you demonstrate > little > study of Philosophy or > Science" which really means "you don't know much", is rather > ludicrous based > on how much we really know of each other. > > I find philosophy, especially as popularly taught is all too > frequently > someone else's own random mental meanderings with no connection to > objective > truth. > > I can come up with my own postulations just as easily and they would > have > equal validity. > > Too much of what is being taught as wisdom and knowledge is simply > either > supposition or garbage. > > Tom C. > > > >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >Subject: Re: Bailing out. > >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:52:26 -0800 > > > >With these statements, you demonstrate little study of Philosophy or > > >Science. > > > >Science at one time had the definition of being the search for > "truth" ... > >This was true in the Middle Ages when the Church controlled all > higher > >institutions of learning in Europe and the search for knowledge was > akin > >to the study of "God's Truth". > > > >That is no longer the definition of science, the modern definition > of > >science dates from 1933. Science and Truth are not related other > than > >semantically. > > > >Truth, Reality, and similar concepts are part of Philosophy: > >--- > >philosophy > >noun ( pl. -phies) > >the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and > existence, > >esp. when considered as an academic discipline. > >- a set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning > such > >study or an aspect of it : a clash of rival socialist philosophies. > >- the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of > knowledge > >or experience : the philosophy of science. > >- a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as > a > >guiding principle for behavior : don't expect anything and you > won't be > >disappointed, that's my philosophy. > > > >ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French philosophie, via Latin from > Greek > >philosophia love of wisdom. > >--- > > > >Science deals with systematic study of the observable world, which > may or > >may not be "true" or "real". > > > >Godfrey > > > > > >On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Tom C wrote: > > > >>Nothing unreal exists. > >> > >>Something that is not real cannot be studied in the sense of > detecting, > >>measuring, or collecting empirical evidence. It's always > something real > >>or the manifestation of something real that is studied. Science > (used > >>loosely) or those studying a particular thing may not understand > what it > >>is they are studying and therefore go off on errant paths making > >>hypothesis that postulate the existence of something unreal. > >> > >>I would venture to say that if science is the search for and > obtaining of > >>knowledge, and that knowledge is unflawed, therefore can be called > true > >>(truth), that it is also real. Those things found to be unreal > "drop off > >>the radar", as they are not real, and are realized to be > scientifically > >>untrue. > >> > >>Tom C. > >> > >> > >> > >>>Science is defined to be: > >>> > >>>--- > >>>science: > >>>noun > >>>The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the > systematic > >>>study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural > world > >>>through observation and experiment : the world of science and > >>>technology. > >>>- a particular area of this : veterinary science | the > agricultural > >>>sciences. > >>>- a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular > subject > >>>: the science of criminology. > >>>- archaic knowledge of any kind. > >>> > >>>ORIGIN Middle English (denoting knowledge): from Old French, from > Latin > >>>scientia, from scire know. > >>>--- > >>> > >>>Note that this definition has no mention of the words "real" or > >>>"reality" in it. Notions of reality are part of philosophy > (typically > >>>metaphysics and epistemology), not science. > >>> > >>>Godfrey > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
