Only the Canon pro cameras are full frame. None sell for less than 
$3000.
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> After Pentax killed the MZ-D/MR-52 in IIRC 2003 there were people on
> this list who predicted that Pentax would never introduce a Digital SLR
> that they would be film forever.  The *ist-D was announced, what within
> a year, in peoples hands in less than 1 1/2 years.  Canon has managed 
> to
> bring the cost of a FF DSLR into the realm of mere mortals.  If Pentax
> can get a FF sensor and build a camera for a price that they feel is
> competitive they will build it.  Personally I think that Canon's
> propaganda machine is good enough that FF 35mm format will remain the
> holy grail of DSLR development, (not that they don't have a point).
> Pentax will either have one within the next 3-4 years, (1.3 crop is
> close enough for government work), be a name on a Samsung product, or 
> be
> out of the Camera business.  This is especially so if the 645D has
> limited sales success.  If I'm right, (and I hope I am, not about the
> 645D but about the FF sensor), I'll send you a bottle of Tabasco.
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> The *ist was a stopgap film camera. No one considered it a top of the
>> line offering. I will eat this message if Pentax releases a 1.3 or
>> full-frame camera.  It ain't gonna happen.
>> Paul
>> On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> It was sold as the new top of the line, and in most respects had, at
>>> least for Pentax top of the line specifications.  The MZ-S was the
>>> Flagship but was soon discontinued anyway.  The *ist effectively
>>> replaced the MZ-S the MZ3/ZX5n MZ-6/ZX-L etc.  Don't forget the green
>>> button Kludge on the *ist-D didn't come along until there was a
>>> wave of
>>> protest from Pentax's  user base in Japan, (and here, but Japanese
>>> users
>>> are what Pentax probably really cared about).  I have no doubt that
>>> Pentax will change sensors as soon as it makes economic sense to do
>>> so.
>>> If a 1.3 crop or  full frame 35mm sensor is released next week with a
>>> price/quality ratio that makes economic sense.  Don't doubt that 
>>> those
>>> DA lenses will be suddenly obsolete.
>>>
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The film *ist was a limited offering aimed at newbie amateurs. It
>>>> was built for use with consumer zooms. It wasn't likely that many
>>>> would want to use it with pre-A lenses.
>>>> Paul
>>>> On Aug 7, 2006, at 6:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They've never screwed with their customers like that before.
>>>>> Well not
>>>>> until the introduction of the *ist Film and Digital introduction
>>>>> that
>>>>> is.  Try to meter with a pre-A lens on the film *ist and let me
>>>>> know how
>>>>> that works for ya.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just can't see it.  They've never screwed with the customer like
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, their pro commitment is still to medium format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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