I didn't sense that you were Ken (trying to force the same suit). I think your point has been that you are willing to take toleration to about any extreme. But when those for whom you have a natural tolerance, begin to infringe on your freedoms then they are overstepping their bounds.
Case in point in the news recently. Some Muslim cab drivers at airports that will not carry passengers that are transporting wine or alcohol after arriving home from a trip. Their personal convictions or religious beliefs are fine but should not go so far as to stop them providing a fair public utility to all. Tom C. >From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:09:49 -0500 > >Replies interspersed below. > >Kenneth Waller > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > > Hello there, Ladies and Gentlemen of this wondrous thread. > > > > frank theriault wrote: > >> On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their > >>> country > >>> with them. > >> > >> Don't think "country", think culture. > >> > >> Everyone who's come to North America has imported their culture with > >> them, from the first Asians who came across the Bering Strait to white > >> Europeans in the 17th Century to African slaves (who really didn't > >> have much choice in coming over) to more recent immigrants. > >> > >> The vast majority of immigrants to the US (and Canada, for that > >> matter) are proud of their heritage, proud of their culture, but have > >> no desire to return to their homelands or "bring their countries" > >> here. > >> > >> cheers, > >> frank > > > > Frank, Ken, I am surprised. Not to your advantage I should say in > > advance. Especially so by Ken. I shall explain myself immediately. > > > > Let us make a firm distinction between inner and outer self of a person. > > Consider the following. > > > > Take me for example. I was born and brought up to age of 20 in very old > > *Soviet* culture and state. Then I migrated to Israel. Israel is > > extremely different from my "pre-historic" mother land. Assume for a > > moment that I were to migrate to US. Ken, do you really expect me to > > willingly abandon huge wealth of Soviet, Russian, and Jewish (Israeli) > > culture and values that I have obtained through the years of my life??? > > I bet you don't. > >Correct. >Enjoy your & celebrate your heritage & cultural values, but I don't want >(not specifically you Boris) you to impose your cultural values on me. > > >You do expect me to behave like an American, speak > > proper English language, though I bet you would tolerate reasonable > > degree of spoken accent. You would expect me to respect the American way > > of life. In return, I would expect from to fully tolerate the fact that > > I wasn't born in America and that I lived great number of years in other > > countries. > >Did I ever hint that I wouldn't. > > > > > I do apologize profoundly, but I am both Jewish and Russian, and neither > > of which I am going to be willing to abandon in any foreseeable future. > >If you thought that I implied that you're wrong. > > > For some reason, I am certain that I have much to offer to any country > > in the world should a potential eventuality of migration arise. I am > > also certain that in any country of the world I will have much to learn > > and much space to develop myself. > > > > Again, don't ask me to speak English at home, it just won't happen. But > > then again, should I have to go to a funeral and see a person wrapped in > > American flag, I am most certain it would bring a tear to my eye, very > > sincere tear I must say. > > > > Do I make myself clear here? > >What's clear is that you have miusunderstood me or I haven't made myself >clear. > > > > I should also say that I am very surprised to see how much mutual > > intolerance there is among the members of this very friendly community > > should it touch the national symbols and citizenship. > >Is a discussion of viewpoints really intolerance? Have I abused someone on >this list? > > > > > Folks, the world is diverse. It is so for the reason. So let us not try > > to force the same suit on everyone. > >Do you really think I was trying to do that. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Boris > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
