Thanks Tom. You stated it better, more concisely than me. At least one person got my drift.
Kenneth Waller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >I didn't sense that you were Ken (trying to force the same suit). > > I think your point has been that you are willing to take toleration to > about > any extreme. But when those for whom you have a natural tolerance, begin > to > infringe on your freedoms then they are overstepping their bounds. > > Case in point in the news recently. Some Muslim cab drivers at airports > that will not carry passengers that are transporting wine or alcohol after > arriving home from a trip. Their personal convictions or religious > beliefs > are fine but should not go so far as to stop them providing a fair public > utility to all. > > Tom C. > > >>From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> >>Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:09:49 -0500 >> >>Replies interspersed below. >> >>Kenneth Waller >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >> >> >> > Hello there, Ladies and Gentlemen of this wondrous thread. >> > >> > frank theriault wrote: >> >> On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their >> >>> country >> >>> with them. >> >> >> >> Don't think "country", think culture. >> >> >> >> Everyone who's come to North America has imported their culture with >> >> them, from the first Asians who came across the Bering Strait to white >> >> Europeans in the 17th Century to African slaves (who really didn't >> >> have much choice in coming over) to more recent immigrants. >> >> >> >> The vast majority of immigrants to the US (and Canada, for that >> >> matter) are proud of their heritage, proud of their culture, but have >> >> no desire to return to their homelands or "bring their countries" >> >> here. >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> frank >> > >> > Frank, Ken, I am surprised. Not to your advantage I should say in >> > advance. Especially so by Ken. I shall explain myself immediately. >> > >> > Let us make a firm distinction between inner and outer self of a >> > person. >> > Consider the following. >> > >> > Take me for example. I was born and brought up to age of 20 in very old >> > *Soviet* culture and state. Then I migrated to Israel. Israel is >> > extremely different from my "pre-historic" mother land. Assume for a >> > moment that I were to migrate to US. Ken, do you really expect me to >> > willingly abandon huge wealth of Soviet, Russian, and Jewish (Israeli) >> > culture and values that I have obtained through the years of my life??? >> > I bet you don't. >> >>Correct. >>Enjoy your & celebrate your heritage & cultural values, but I don't want >>(not specifically you Boris) you to impose your cultural values on me. >> >> >You do expect me to behave like an American, speak >> > proper English language, though I bet you would tolerate reasonable >> > degree of spoken accent. You would expect me to respect the American >> > way >> > of life. In return, I would expect from to fully tolerate the fact that >> > I wasn't born in America and that I lived great number of years in >> > other >> > countries. >> >>Did I ever hint that I wouldn't. >> >> > >> > I do apologize profoundly, but I am both Jewish and Russian, and >> > neither >> > of which I am going to be willing to abandon in any foreseeable future. >> >>If you thought that I implied that you're wrong. >> >> > For some reason, I am certain that I have much to offer to any country >> > in the world should a potential eventuality of migration arise. I am >> > also certain that in any country of the world I will have much to learn >> > and much space to develop myself. >> > >> > Again, don't ask me to speak English at home, it just won't happen. But >> > then again, should I have to go to a funeral and see a person wrapped >> > in >> > American flag, I am most certain it would bring a tear to my eye, very >> > sincere tear I must say. >> > >> > Do I make myself clear here? >> >>What's clear is that you have miusunderstood me or I haven't made myself >>clear. >> > >> > I should also say that I am very surprised to see how much mutual >> > intolerance there is among the members of this very friendly community >> > should it touch the national symbols and citizenship. >> >>Is a discussion of viewpoints really intolerance? Have I abused someone on >>this list? >> >> > >> > Folks, the world is diverse. It is so for the reason. So let us not try >> > to force the same suit on everyone. >> >>Do you really think I was trying to do that. >> >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
