When I need some technical/photo related advice this list is the first
place I think of, could be that I know the names and respect the
opinions I get here better; I have a different theory about why you
find more of these discussions outside of PDML, I think most of the
equipment questions are from newcomers, and probably might be easier
to join and follow dpreview than an email based list; I know there are
PDML archives, and that joining is not hard at all (unless some secret
handshake was added that I'm not aware of), but the forum style might
be more familiar to other folks than an email list. Pentaxforums is
just a dpreview forum plan B (and place for refugee expatriates of
dpreview) and in photo.net there is no useful advice (I believe thanks
to the animosity of Philip Greenspun against anything Pentax).

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People already happy with their equipment? Sounds good but I don't fully 
> agree...I would say resigned instead of happy.
>
> The film SLR was an even more mature product, and here people keep wishing 
> the advent of the MZ-1, the flagship, the perfect mach for the 
> limiteds...that never showed up.
> So people here finally realized the limits of their favourite brand and that, 
> if they want/need certain features (high fps count, fast AF, full frame), 
> they have to move elsewhere (as many have already done).
>
> The consequence is that thread about future features and/or complaints about 
> present ones are no longer popular, and newcomers that still have faith in 
> that their brand will be able to fight in the premier league look for othe 
> places to keep dreaming.
>
> So this is a more paceful place where people who knew each other thanks to 
> their (current or past) relation with Pentax now share their pictures and 
> have a good time talking about things related (or not) to photography. Yes, 
> sometimes there is some equipment chat, but it is not the majority anymore.
>
> The 'negative' side is that the list may be seen as a 'closed' group of 
> friends, with lots of private jokes and not very prone to orientate and 
> convince new pentaxians that they have made the right choice (I would say 
> that there are far less introductions and 'novice' questions that we used to 
> have). And it is a pitty since I don't think that this is true at all but 
> that people here is really helpful.
>
> Anyway, as I said before, there are other places to look for 
> advice/information about Pentax nowadays...it is just that I have been 
> reading the list for so many years that it is hard to admit that is is 
> getting less interesting for me lately...(but I keep reading...;-) )
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaume in their yearly eloquent day
>
> ----- Mensaje original ----
> De: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de mayo, 2008 20:12:13
> Asunto: Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:46:24AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>> >>BTW, Paul, this link is an example of why it is worth looking
>> occasionally at dpreview, despite the admitted annoyances of that site.
>> News such as this shows up much earlier there than it does here.
>>
>> Today I was just thinking that this list has somehow shifted its focus since 
>> the digital era took over.
>> Before there were few places to talk about Pentax equipment, so this was a 
>> main topic. But the digital brought also more 'competitors' and people here 
>> seems a bot bored of too technical (and lots of times closer to computers 
>> rather than photography)  so this kind of threads are not as popular anymore.
>> So we find much more PESOs, GMFs, OTs, so the list is more about people 
>> talking on photography and showing what they do, that normally own (or used 
>> to) Pentax equipment.
>>
>> No more bloody fights (except when the magic words arise: 'aperture 
>> simulator') but also no more guru's anticipating future 
>> developments...that's why people has to look elsewhere to find it and, 
>> eventually, report it here in case someone is still interested.
>
> That's because digital SLRs are, by now, a mature technology.
> Pentax addressed most of the complaints about the *ist-D in
> the K10D, and polished off a few more with the K20D.  Apart
> from the "full-frame" sensor (non-)issue, there's not a lot
> wrong with the K20D for almost everybody almost all the time.
> The advent of the SDM lenses removed another potential source
> of complaints, too.
>
> So while the K20D isn't perfect, it will do for now.  Pentax
> have intimated they are working on a model beyond the K20D,
> so there's room for speculating on future developments (will
> it have better build quality, a faster frame rate, faster AF,
> etc., etc.).  But most people don't care, because what they
> can get now is more than good enough to be useful.
>
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