An observation: My daughter is in the Peace Corps in Benin. She gets to see a more "traditional" version of husbandry than the first world assembly bovine assembly line. Most of the milk there is from goats. The goats are protected and given safe space in which to feed. There sit on Tracie's porch and on occasion she found one sleeping in here bed. It would be no big deal to run away and they don't. Given the lack of speech, this is the best you can do for consent. Of course, the locals cheerfully kill these animals for dinner when needed. This is not a moral issue for them, just the food chain. Over here in North America, the whole process is so industrialized that it's hard for most of us to see this as any part of nature.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:38 AM, frank theriault <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, paul stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats >> and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what >> about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, >> can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know >> that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I >> would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery. > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > I really didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I'll answer a > few of your points: > > I can't speak for all vegans, but for me it's an issue of consent and > exploitation. We don't ask cows, goats, etc. if they're okay with us > taking their milk, and if they're answering, we can't tell. We just > take it. whether they like it or not. > > "Willing to give up their milk"? What makes you say that? We keep > them in a permanent state of artificial pregnancy so they never "dry > up". That can't be much fun. > > Human mothers who breast feed consent to the procedure. If they > don't, they buy formula. > > cheers, > frank > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
