DXOmark concentrates on sensors and includes noise in the data: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Pentax/K5
Click on Specifications tab, then SNR 18% Now move your cursor over the color bar to the right of the chart. You should see a crop of a photo with the amount of noise comparable at each ISO level. If you look at Camera Sensor ratings: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings The 645D and the K-5 come in tied for 4th (also tied with a couple Nikon full frame models). Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.