After reading Ann's comment, i have to add the same qualifier to my previous comment. I can't possibly comment on every photo -- I'd never get any work done. So a lack of response doesn't mean I don't like it. However, I merely meant to point out that, in regard to my own photos, I generally interpret a lack of response as somewhat telling. Pau On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> Well I have to jump in just to say this - while I don't bother to comment at > all on photos that don't interest me my "doest quite work for me" and > suggestions like why dont you you crop a bit are always > comments made to photograhers that really do want comments and who > seem to be to be those who would like to hear them. > > But I hope noone ever reads the _lack_ of any comment at all by me > (or, for that matter, lots of others of us) as an automatic thumbs down - the > randomness with which I read the list and look at the Peso's cannot be > exagerated... > > My PDML folder has over 2000 emails in it right now, and 1258 unread. > I'll never get around to reading anything more than a couple of days old. > > For the most part I only show stuff to the list of my own that I think is at > least competent but more as a way of telling what I've been up to instead of > writing it in words... or presenting a couple of choices > on the same subject because I can't decide which works better... > > I probably should keep from commenting too much on images until after > my eye exam in January :-) > > ann > > > > On 11/26/2011 09:44, Jack Davis wrote: >> I agree with Paul. Not that I see every posted image, but if I really can't >> find something sufficiently pleasing about an image, I often convey these >> feelings by not commenting. >> Doesn't happen often, at least not that I've recently noticed, but I find it >> particularly inappropriate for a third party to jump to an indignant defense >> of an image by means of demeaning comments directed at the critique's author. >> >> Jack >> . >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Stenquist<pnstenqu...@comcast.net> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List<pdml@pdml.net> >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:02 AM >> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism >> >> >> On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: >> >>> I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken. Everyone on the PDML >>> is capable of giving frank and respectful critique. Everyone has the >>> rhetorical skills and the photographic technical skills. I wasn't on the >>> list when the situation Bill refers to took place, but I just can't recall >>> a time when anyone came rhetorically close to repeating that situation >>> since I've been on the list, yet there have been plenty of times PDMLers >>> received helpful critique, and I've benefited from it. Like Larry, I find >>> it helpful when reading the critiques of other people's work. Like Brian >>> has said, "Can't we just move on?" >>> >> Of course. And I think we have. I only referred to the situation Bill >> mentioned, because the overall negative reaction to that particular critique >> of so many years ago was justified. I think our discussions of posted photos >> are appropriate for this type of list. Tips are frequently offered and >> questions are raised. When no one comments on a photo I've posted, I count >> that as a statement in itself: BORING! >> >> >>> Cheers, Christine >>> >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:01 PM, "Brian Walters"<supera1...@fastmail.fm> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday, November 25, 2011 6:45 PM, "Rick Womer" >>>> <rwomer1...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Having nominated Bill for a "Mark!", I don't agree with him. >>>>> >>>>> Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got lots of >>>>> interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the >>>>> photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a lot >>>>> from that--it is this group at its best. >>>>> >>>>> When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are >>>>> gratifyingly, constructively critical. >>>>> >>>>> When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be told >>>>> =why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too. >>>>> >>>>> What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's "an >>>>> excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject" I'd >>>>> like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is lacking, >>>>> or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I pretty much agree with Rick on this. >>>> >>>> I only vaguely recall the issue that Bill and Paul referred to, when a >>>> particularly scathing and personal critique was given. That must be >>>> nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent moratorium >>>> on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on? >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> Brian Walters >>>> Western Sydney Australia >>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: William Robb<anotherdrunken...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List<pdml@pdml.net> >>>>> Cc: >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism >>>>> >>>>> On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take >>>>>> criticism. And a related discussion >>>>> of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who >>>>> attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. >>>>> It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest >>>>> critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will >>>>> likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word >>>>> critique kind of come from.) >>>>> I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph >>>>> on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. >>>>> And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it >>>>> be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a >>>>> kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning >>>>> image, etc) or no comment at all. >>>>> >>>>> Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one >>>>> likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor >>>>> rendering of a banal and cliched subject. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> William Robb >>>>> >>>>> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
