My lack of comments on images generally means I'm not interested in the
subject matter or there are too mamy for me to take the time to view. And as
some one else has already stated, commenting on images in a GESO is just
asking for too much.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stenquist" <pnstenqu...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
After reading Ann's comment, i have to add the same qualifier to my
previous comment. I can't possibly comment on every photo -- I'd never get
any work done. So a lack of response doesn't mean I don't like it.
However, I merely meant to point out that, in regard to my own photos, I
generally interpret a lack of response as somewhat telling.
Pau
On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Well I have to jump in just to say this - while I don't bother to comment
at all on photos that don't interest me my "doest quite work for me" and
suggestions like why dont you you crop a bit are always
comments made to photograhers that really do want comments and who
seem to be to be those who would like to hear them.
But I hope noone ever reads the _lack_ of any comment at all by me
(or, for that matter, lots of others of us) as an automatic thumbs down -
the randomness with which I read the list and look at the Peso's cannot
be exagerated...
My PDML folder has over 2000 emails in it right now, and 1258 unread.
I'll never get around to reading anything more than a couple of days old.
For the most part I only show stuff to the list of my own that I think is
at least competent but more as a way of telling what I've been up to
instead of writing it in words... or presenting a couple of choices
on the same subject because I can't decide which works better...
I probably should keep from commenting too much on images until after
my eye exam in January :-)
ann
On 11/26/2011 09:44, Jack Davis wrote:
I agree with Paul. Not that I see every posted image, but if I really
can't find something sufficiently pleasing about an image, I often
convey these feelings by not commenting.
Doesn't happen often, at least not that I've recently noticed, but I
find it particularly inappropriate for a third party to jump to an
indignant defense of an image by means of demeaning comments directed at
the critique's author.
Jack
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From: Paul Stenquist<pnstenqu...@comcast.net>
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List<pdml@pdml.net>
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken. Everyone on the
PDML is capable of giving frank and respectful critique. Everyone has
the rhetorical skills and the photographic technical skills. I wasn't
on the list when the situation Bill refers to took place, but I just
can't recall a time when anyone came rhetorically close to repeating
that situation since I've been on the list, yet there have been plenty
of times PDMLers received helpful critique, and I've benefited from it.
Like Larry, I find it helpful when reading the critiques of other
people's work. Like Brian has said, "Can't we just move on?"
Of course. And I think we have. I only referred to the situation Bill
mentioned, because the overall negative reaction to that particular
critique of so many years ago was justified. I think our discussions of
posted photos are appropriate for this type of list. Tips are frequently
offered and questions are raised. When no one comments on a photo I've
posted, I count that as a statement in itself: BORING!
Cheers, Christine
On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:01 PM, "Brian Walters"<supera1...@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On Friday, November 25, 2011 6:45 PM, "Rick Womer"
<rwomer1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Having nominated Bill for a "Mark!", I don't agree with him.
Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got
lots of
interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the
photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a
lot
from that--it is this group at its best.
When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are
gratifyingly, constructively critical.
When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be
told
=why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too.
What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's
"an
excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject"
I'd
like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is
lacking,
or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too.
I pretty much agree with Rick on this.
I only vaguely recall the issue that Bill and Paul referred to, when a
particularly scathing and personal critique was given. That must be
nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent
moratorium
on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on?
Cheers
Brian
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
----- Original Message -----
From: William Robb<anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List<pdml@pdml.net>
Cc:
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and
take criticism. And a related discussion
of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of
discussion.
--
That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member
who
attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island.
It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest
critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique
will
likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word
critique kind of come from.)
I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the
photograph
on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU.
And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here,
whether it
be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with
a
kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning
image, etc) or no comment at all.
Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no
one
likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor
rendering of a banal and cliched subject.
--
William Robb
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