Seems like here in the U.S. there's been an all out war waged on free,
tax-payer supported public schools going back almost 60 years (if not
longer). The schools are losing the war.
Started on or about May 18, 1954.
From: "knarftheriault
"Competition for public schools"?
You can't operate a public school system on a business model. If businesses
don't work out, they can just go out of business, shut down.
Public schools don't exactly have that "luxury".
Voucher systems suck money away from public schools, making it even harder for
them to do the job we (and students!) need them to do.
In essence it is a subsidy for private schools and to families who are already
well off.
This insidious process is disguised and whitewashed by using terms like "freedom of
choice" when in fact rich people always have the choice of where to send their kids while
vouchers take away the "choice" of impoverished students to have a quality education.
Want to help public education? This is not the way to do it.
Cheers,
frank
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From: Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net>
Sent: April 7, 2013 4/7/13
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On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:19 AM, Paul Sorenson <pentax1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Interspersed...
On 4/6/2013 7:26 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Voucher systems provide education financing but allow parents to make
their own choice. The selections are generally many and no one is
compelled to attend a religious institution. Thus, they don't really
fit the definition of a public school.
I have no problem with parents choosing to send their children to private or
religious schools - *Choosing* being the operative word. My point is that they
have the option of attending a public school and if they choose a private
school they know there is an obligation to pay tuition. The taxpayers do
not/should not have an obligation to subsidize them.
But if we establish a charter school system to provide competition for our
failing public schools, offering choices seems reasonable. I have no problem
with some of my tax dollars going to a Muslim school or a school that preaches
the modern religion of secularism, as long as those schools are succeeding and
other options are available. Freedom is about options.
Wisconsin is one of only a few states that allow vouchers to be used
in religious schools. The Wisconsin Supreme Court okayed that in
1998, but it's expected that the U.S. Supreme Court will eventually
rule on it. I suspect they will affirm the state court's decision, in
that federal student loans have always been available at religiously
affiliated universities. That doesn't make those universities "public
schools."
Apples and oranges...vouchers are paid directly to the school as state aid with
no requirement for any reimbursement - a gift from the taxpayers. Student
loans are just that...loans that the student can use for tuition as well as
other educational items and that come with a payback obligation on the part of
the student.
In regard to traditional public schools being better than or equal to
charter schools that's largely a myth perpetrated by teacher unions
-- of which I was once a member. In Detroit, the charter schools and
religious schools far outperform the public schools. Nationally, the
margin is thinner, but overall, the charter schools have an edge.
That's not to say that there aren't bad charters. There are. But the
competition of the marketplace eventually weeds them out. Public
schools don't have to compete. That's part of the problem.
Paul On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Paul Sorenson <pentax1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It depends on your definition of a "Public School". If it's a
school offered/run by a public entity, then I'd agree that thy are
non-denominational. However, the big push in Wisconsin by both a
Republican governor and a Republican legislature is for so-called
"voucher schools" whereby private and religious schools are
partially funded by taxpayer money.
The argument for that is "they provide a better education than the
public schools". Unfortunately, the research shows that they don't
perform any better and in some cases don't provide as good an
education.
I don't know if that meets the definition of separation of church
and state, but it sure as hell is not non-denominational.
-p
On 4/6/2013 6:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I've never seen a United States public school that has religious
affiliation. I would think it would be unconstitutional.
Paul On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Stan Halpin
<s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:
On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
All U.S. public schools are non-demominational.
Paul via phone
Except in parts of the South and Midwest.
stan
On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Bob W <p...@web-options.com>
wrote:
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:01, Ann Sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
In an effort to inject a bit of levity into this
discussion..
On 4/6/2013 10:12, Bipin Gupta wrote:
... I am a Hindu, but went to a Roman Catholic Boarding
Public School, so I fully understand Western Values.
...
What's wrong with this sentence?
Spurious logic.
B
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