Godfrey is right in that selling a good camera with a crap kit lens is a stupid 
way to go - I
understand why the Australian distributors used to insist on selling Pentax 
bodies as a kit with a
dreadful Sigma 28-80 lens, because they were also the Sigma distributors.   
I've never thought that
they appreciated that the result was a downgrade of the Pentax brand in buyers' 
eyes because the
results were so spectacularly awful!


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: Saturday, 12 October 2013 12:05 AM
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Subject: Re: K-3 musings

I do my best to simply ignore the hype and silliness, find the data, and 
understand it. 

The K-3 looks to have some interesting specs and features. The AA simulation is 
one of them, a 24
MPixel sensor isn't anything particularly new or fascinating. Let's hope it 
doesn't make Larry sad
and hasn't lost any of the sensitivity that he finds the K5 to be the standard 
for. 

I hope the K-3 makes all of those who buy it happy is the most I can say. It's 
the highest end
digital SLR Pentax has yet produced. 

One thing I was kind of confused about was that I saw an advertisement for the 
K-3 ... offered at
$1300 body only (a good price point), then offered as a kit at $1630-with an 
18-135/4-5.6 lens or
something like that? To me, that makes little sense - buy a pro spec body and 
fit it with a slow
wide-zoom lens as your hallmark kit? Why not offer a kit with a pro spec lens, 
an f/2.8 or f/4
constant aperture zoom in a more sensibly modest range? I never understand why 
companies do stuff
like that. I never buy SLR cameras as kits unless that's the only way you can 
buy them. Kit lenses
are almost to the one junk, a waste of the extra money. 

But that's quibbling over marketing BS. 

G


On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:43 AM, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter, let me try to explain. I seem to have grown to sincerely dislike all 
> too often seen on the
internet ocassions when following the announcement (and sometimes even 
following relatively reliable
rumors) people start proclaiming very loud claims.
> 
> E.g. K-3 is not revolutionary for the industry. It is great step up for 
> Pentax, that's for sure.
But it makes absolutely no sense to say that it is very imaginary Nikon D400. 
It is not. Nor it
leapfrogs the competition. It simply does not at this time. It may in the 
future should it come out
devoid of any bleeding edge cuts and bruises and should the market decidedly 
vote by its money in
its favor.
> 
> Until then - it is all hand off review...
> 
> I hope you understand me now. And naturally, I mean no disrespect to you or 
> anyone else on this
list. I'm merely stating my opinion on the matter.
> 
> On 10/11/2013 8:01 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>> Yes, but unlike Kennyboy, Hogan actually deserves the respect he's 
>> given.  He's a Nikon centric guy, with an occasional nod to Canon, so 
>> I don't read his site often, but when he has something I think is 
>> worth reading, it's usually worth reading.
>> 
>> On 10/11/2013 12:14 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>> On 10/8/2013 5:37 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>>> and only a few years ago Hogan was confidently predicting Pentax's 
>>>> demise, or ignoring it entirely.
>>>> 
>>>> C'est la vie.
>>> 
>>> All hail the hands off reviews :-).


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