Well something has to be done. People driving cars kill tens of thousands each
year. If it was a disease it would be a pandemic.
And that's not even considering the thousands and thousands of premature deaths
caused by pollution from the actual driving of automobiles, the process of
extracting and manufacturing the raw materials used to make cars, and the
extracting and refining process for petroleum.
It's mind boggling, really.
So far nothing has persuaded us out of our cars. Either we'll be legislated out
of them or we'll hit peak oil and then it'll all be over. Mind you, I don't
think peak oil is anywhere near. We keep finding more oil but it's dirtier oil
with larger environmental impact (see: Alberta Oil Sands).
Cheers,
frank
On 31 August, 2015 10:01:56 AM EDT, "P.J. Alling" <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>On the whole, that's an exceedingly bad idea. Whose time is coming.
>I'm likely won't be around to see it. With computer controlled anti
>lock breaks, and computer controlled cruse control, and most every
>modern car having it's owned assigned IP address it's only a matter of
>time before we have the first recorded homicide by hacking a cars
>cpu(s)
>and network. The more control the computer in the car has the more
>control a hacker can achieve. That's assuming there aren't gross
>errors
>in the programming to begin with.
>
>On 8/31/2015 2:07 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> P.s. I think that in 10-15 years time we'll be seeing moves to make
>it illegal for humans to drive cars.
>>
>> When self-driving cars start appearing on our roads they will be so
>much safer than human-driven ones that it will be difficult to argue
>against. For example, why would a boy-racer ever give way to a
>self-driving ('automobile'!) car, knowing that it will always give way?
>>
>> I don't think the few petrol-heads who'll be left will be too
>bothered about it either. Half the fun of current cars comes from the
>sound of the engine, and the direct relationship between the controls
>and movement of the car. As drive-by-wire and silent, or artificial
>sound, cars come along that direct connection is lost along with the
>feelings of control and exercise of skill that makes driving so much
>fun.
>>
>> >From the point of view of cities this will be a good thing. We'll be
>able to get rid of most of the street signs and similar car-related
>street furniture that is so disfiguring of beautiful architecture, and
>it will reduce congestion.
>>
>> If you think digital cameras have been revolutionary, you ain't seen
>nothin' yet.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 05:48, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like driving. The last car I owned was an MG B Roadster, but the
>times I got to actually enjoy it were so few and far between that the
>hassles massively outweighed the pleasures. Utility driving - which is
>probably 99% of car use for most people - is just a huge pain in the
>arse.
>>>
>>> And as for the countryside, it is of course mass car use that is
>destroying it - the pleasure of driving in it has a high cost. I get
>far more enjoyment from cycling and walking in the countryside than I
>ever did from driving in it
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 01:00, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I find driving a car, especially a well handling, responsive car,
>to be almost therapeutic and a great way to relax and enjoy the
>countryside - can't put a dollar value on that.
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth Waller
>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W-PDML"
><p...@web-options.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2015, at 10:52, Malcolm Smith <rrve...@virginmedia.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob W wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then there are all the other costs that car ownership
>entails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Owning a car is a modern form of slavery. Getting rid of mine
>was on a
>>>>>>> par with giving up smoking as far as feeling liberated is
>concerned.
>>>>>> [...]t the
>>>>>> practical truth is it is quicker to go from A to B on most local
>trips by
>>>>>> cycling rather than car (although I need very little persuasion
>to take the
>>>>>> cycle!). You can spend as long finding a parking place as it did
>to drive
>>>>>> there - pointless. [...]
>>>>> People can get a very warped perception of the so-called benefits
>of using a car. I've often been with people who've chosen to drive
>somewhere when I've decided to walk or ride, starting from the same
>place, and I've arrived there long before they have. This can sometimes
>be over distances of several miles, but because the other people have
>lost the very idea of leaving the car behind they have also lost the
>idea of how much it has crippled them.
>>>>>
>>>>> My normal commute to work, for example, is 8 miles each way, and
>cycling it is quicker than all other forms of transport.
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>
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