...by it I meant v2007...TTBOMK 2004 has no such restriction >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 3:11 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source equivalent to Protel > >We use 2004 here at Avtron. Same conclusions. It is one of the >most rock solid applications I've ever used. I've been using >it for as long as I've been using Protel. It's not as tailored >to EDA, but unlike Protel, it is solid, stable, and infinitely >configurable. > >Sad to hear that it uses the new virtual dongling that has >become the norm. Understandable from the software giant's POV >(need I mention the wholesale and factory-sized IT thievery >that certain far-east nations have and are engaging in?), but >sad all the same. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Smith >>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:51 PM >>To: Protel EDA Discussion List >>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source equivalent to Protel >> >>Geoff, >> >>We have AutoCAD 2007. As far as major bugs, there are none to report. >>It has on rare occasions locked up on me. I have used >AutoCAD 11, 12, >>2000, 2004 and it has always been a very stable product. There have >>been only 2 patches released for 2007. >>Printing has gotten incrementally easier with each release. >>They added a PDF printout that is decent but could use a little >>improvement as far as resolution is concerned. Moving, editing, >>rotating and dimensioning have been marginally improved over time. >>Editing blocks has gotten much easier. >>Most of the old commands from the DOS versions still work. >>Supposedly some of the biggest improvements have come in 3D but we >>rarely use that here. Customizing the menus and toolbars has been >>greatly improved along with text editing and can now be linked to >>spreadsheets. I know that some claim it is not intuitive for the >>casual user, but I have found it to be a powerful, useful, and very >>stable piece of software. >>What I dislike the most about AutoCAD is that I can no longer have a >>second copy of it on my home system unless we purchase their >>subscription plan, a $495 adder. >> >>Regards, >>Steve Smith >>Product Engineer >>Staco Energy Products Co. >>Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com >>& www.stacopower.com >> >>DISCLAIMER AND/OR CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: >>This message, including any attached materials, is intended >solely for >>the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may >>contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from >>disclosure under applicable law. >>If the reader of this electronic mail transmission is not the >intended >>recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly >prohibited. >>If you have received this communication in error, please >e-mail or call >>Staco Energy Products Co. at (937) 253-1191. Thank you for your >>cooperation. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>On Behalf Of Geoff Harland >>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:18 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source equivalent to Protel >> >>I have never tried actually installing and evaluating gEDA as of yet >>(either under Windows or Linux), but while reading some documentaton >>hosted by its website (late last year, IIRC), I gather that the >>"standard" version of the PCB package for gEDA (i.e. in which no >>modifications have been made to any of its source code) does not >>provide a bottom side Paste Mask layer (? and doesn't provide >a bottom >>side Overlay layer either ?). >> >>So even though I personally loathe assorted shortcomings >within Altium >>Designer, I don't think that the intellectual giants within Altium's >>management have too much to worry about as far as competition >from gEDA >>is concerned, or at least not for the time being. (There are >doubtless >>at least some sufficiently determined people who are prepared to jump >>through all of the hoops necessary to install and subsequently use >>gEDA, and who are also happy with its capabilities, but I >also surmise >>that such people would be unlikely to purchase AD in any case.) >> >>I can't recall its name or other details right now, but I do have >>recollections of hearing about yet another open source and/or >freeware >>PCB design application which runs on Windows (or else either >on Windows >>or Linux). However I would still be surprised if it is significantly >>superior to gEDA as far as its capabilities are concerned, so for the >>time being, anyone wanting a "serious" PCB design applications still >>has to decide which of the commercial products is "least vile" in >>nature. >> >>In that regard, the market for PCB design applications is relatively >>small (compared with the market for other applications such as word >>processing, etc), and it is also not straightforward to write the >>source code for such applications if they are to be of a truly >>satisfactory nature (as far as both user-friendliness and >capabilities >>are concerned). So while it would be nice to think that AD could be a >>lot less buggy than what it is, it also seems that the odds are still >>stacked against its users ever getting to enjoy such an outcome. >> >>It has been many years since I last used AutoCAD (the last time I did >>so, it was still a DOS version), but my recollections of using it was >>that it didn't seem to be afflicted with bugs of a "basic" or >>"fundamental" nature (unlike another certain application), >and as such, >>I am wondering if there is anyone here who has had any experience in >>using the most recent version (or otherwise another relatively recent >>version), and is thus able to report on what it is like, as far as >>bugs, defects, and other shortcomings are concerned. I would be >>surprised to hear that it is totally bug-free, or even that bugs are >>almost unheard of, but I am still curious as to whether users have to >>contend with defects which afflict elementary procedures (such as >>creating printouts, moving and/or rotating objects, etc), and/or >>whether they have to jump through hoops, or otherwise contend with >>commands of a "clunky" nature, when undertaking elementary procedures. >> >>I am well aware that AutoCAD is not a cheap application to purchase. >>That said, nor is another certain application in this day and age, so >>it would definitely be interesting to learn whether AutoCAD is >>"shipped" to a distinctly higher standard... >> >>Regards, >>Geoff Harland. >> >> >>>I agree. >>> >>>If it's the tired and blue "Kill Bill" mentality so >prevalent amongst >>>certain anti-establishment quarters, perhaps someone might >even go so >>>far as to suggest that the disgruntled, aging hippy boss get some >>>professional psychological assistance with his um...problems. >>> >>>Or I'd suggest that you consider a job change in the near future, as >>>he's likely to screw your career without a second thought in >order to >>>further his political objectives. After all, you're talking about >>>someone who wants to drop a package which your company already >>>presumably owns (gleaned from your post) for a relatively unproven >>>open-source product, operating on a platform which itself to >>this date >>>has not really been proven to be economically viable for >>circuit design >> >>>and analysis outside of the hobbyist realm. >>> >>>Even the entry that Mr Selfridge claims as a Linux equivalent >>is a hack >> >>>in comparison to Protel...8 layers? >>> >>>And I'm a fan of open source. 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