Dear list:

drat!  I lost my opportunity to say,
"I hope your suggestions may bring a whole crop of fruit".

oh well, "the jerk store called...

Best,
Jerry R

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Jerry Rhee <jerryr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear John, Thomas, list:
>
>
>
> To those who propose putting forth philosophical definitions for old
> terms, Peirce gives a kind of snarky response in “Mr. Peterson’s Proposed
> Discussion”.
>
>
>
> And yet, despite his awareness that
>
> *Symbols grow**… Omne symbolum de symbolo.* (7)
> <https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/peirce1.htm#7>
>  A symbol, once in being, spreads among the peoples. In use and in
> experience, its meaning grows. Such words as *force, law, wealth,
> marriage,* bear for us very different meanings from those they bore to
> our barbarous ancestors. The symbol may, with Emerson’s sphynx, (8)
> <https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/peirce1.htm#8>
>  say to man,
>
> Of thine eye I am eyebeam.
>
>
>
> he says that Locke’s definition for “experience” ought to be left
> untouched.
>
>
>
> In “Some Consequences of Four Incapacities”, he gives several definitions
> for *hypothesis* in the footnotes.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Jerry R
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Thomas903 <ozzie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Sowa, others ~
>>
>> I wanted to comment on statements made last night about the meaning of
>> law-theory-hypothesis.  For convenience (i.e., mine), I will address your
>> statements in a different order: 1-3-2.  See below.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom Wyrick
>>
>> "Scientists make a three-way distinction of hypotheses, theories, and
>> laws:
>> 1. A law is a theory that has been thoroughly tested on some observable
>> phenomena and shown to be reliable in making predictions about the
>> future development of those phenomena."
>>
>> There are a lot of scientists, so I won't claim that all agree with a
>> single definition. But when I see the term "law" being used by scientists
>> (e.g., Kepler's Law), it is normally used to describe a physical-empirical
>> regularity.  It is assumed that something causes/generates the regularity,
>> and that cause can (eventually) be formalized in a theory -- but the law
>> itself is a phenomenological description of reality. An empirical habit.
>>
>> Laws: Orbits are ellipses (Kepler's Law).   If the price of good X
>> decreases, people buy more of good X (law of demand).   If something can go
>> wrong, it will (Murphy's Law).  These laws-regularities are not accompanied
>> by theories or tentative explanations (hypotheses).
>>
>>
>> "3. A hypothesis is any theory in the logicians' sense.  No tests of
>> relevance or reliability have yet been made."
>>
>> This is broadly accurate, but lacks precision.  An hypothesis is not "any
>> theory," but a proposed explanation (story) for the observed regularity-law
>> and/or "surprising facts" that depart from the law.  Tests of
>> the hypothesis may or may not have been made; being tested does not
>> eliminate something from being an hypothesis.
>>
>>
>> "2. A theory is a hypothesis that  ... has not yet been sufficiently
>> tested for it to be accepted as a law."
>>
>> This reads as though a moderate amount of hypothesis testing produces a
>> theory, then more testing produces a law.  No cause and effect is hinted
>> at. The alternative view:  A theory provides a widely-accepted causal
>> explanation for a physical regularity (law).  A generally accepted theory
>> is the best causal explanation that society (scientists and practitioners)
>> can presently offer for the physical law and/or exceptions to it.
>>
>> .....
>>
>> 4. A theory is the culmination of observation and measurement, hypothesis
>> construction, empirical testing, debate and discussion.  As such, a theory
>> is an intellectual-capital good developed over time.  There is no logical
>> activity known as "deduction" without first developing a "theoretical
>> model" that, when combined with relevant premises, generates syllogisms
>> (predictions, explanations) relating to a class of phenomena.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:11 PM, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/12/2016 1:24 PM, Clark Goble wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don’t like the term “legitimate” precisely because it’s ambiguous.
>>>> However I think good theories are theories that allow us to inquire
>>>> about their truthfulness by making somewhat testable predictions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with both points.
>>>
>>> I think that some of the objections arise from different uses
>>> of the word 'theory'.  Logicians typically use the word 'theory'
>>> for the deductive closure of a set of propositions called axioms.
>>> They impose no constraints the relevance or applicability of
>>> the axioms to any kind of phenomena.
>>>
>>> But scientists make a three-way distinction of hypotheses,
>>> theories, and laws:
>>>
>>>  1. A law is a theory that has been thoroughly tested on some
>>>     observable phenomena and shown to be reliable in making
>>>     predictions about the future development of those phenomena.
>>>
>>>  2. A theory is a hypothesis that has some relevance to some
>>>     observable phenomena about which it makes some testable
>>>     predictions.  But its reliability has not yet been
>>>     sufficiently tested for it to be accepted as a law.
>>>
>>>  3. A hypothesis is any theory in the logicians' sense.
>>>     No tests of relevance or reliability have yet been made.
>>>
>>> This distinction allows anyone to suggest a hypothesis at
>>> any time -- there is no penalty for proposing something
>>> irrelevant or untestable.  Then a community of inquirers may
>>> choose to collaborate in exploring some interesting hypotheses
>>> to determine which might be sufficiently promising for further
>>> development.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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