Dear list,
Is my experience but of yesterday?
It is long ago that I experienced the reasons for mine opinions.
This is man,
". . . proud man,
Most ignorant of what he's most assured,
His glassy essence, like an angry ape.."
Best,
Jerry R
On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Gene, Gary f, list,
>
> Gene wrote:
>
> It seems to me that one can also say that some elements of our experience
> are primate experience, and also even mammal experience, rather than
> specifically human experience. And perhaps these prejudices need to be
> bracketed out in scientific experience as well.
>
>
> But aren't such primate, mammalian and material 'elements' immediately
> *filtered*, so to speak, through our* human being* in order to count as *our
> experience, *experience in Peirce's sense in the material under
> discussion?
>
> So, while it's true that my pain in stubbing my toe is surely mammalian
> pain, I immediately, quasi-necessarily turn it into *human* *experience*.
> I say to myself "ouch!" (the pain is symbolized), "my right big toe" (the
> pain is immediately localized in human terms), etc. Such human
> symbolization allows us to not only experience, but also importantly to
> reflect on our experience in order to, come to better understandings of the
> nature of physical pain, to, for example, discover means to control it
> medically for not only humans, but for primates, other mammals, etc.
>
> Best,
>
> Gary R
>
>
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> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 3:28 PM, <g...@gnusystems.ca> wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes — for me it goes without saying that humans are mammals and primates,
>> but now that you’ve said it, I agree.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Nietszche quote does seem timely in some respects … likewise this
>> bit from the *Avatamsaka Sutra* that I quoted on my blog the other day:
>> “There is not a single sentient being who is not fully endowed with the
>> knowledge of the enlightened; it is just that because of deluded notions,
>> erroneous thinking, and attachments, they are unable to realize it.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary f.
>>
>>
>>
>> } The lord whose oracle is at Delphi neither speaks nor conceals, but
>> gives signs. [Heraclitus] {
>>
>> http://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ *Turning Signs* gateway
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eugene Halton [mailto:eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu]
>> *Sent:* 6-Jan-18 14:13
>> *To:* Peirce List <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>
>> *Subject:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 3.11
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Gary F,
>>
>> Your comment concludes:
>>
>> "That last sentence takes us to the crux of the challenge of
>> Peircean semiotics and Peircean phenomenology: *Experience is our only
>> teacher* in science, as he says elsewhere, and all of our experience is
>> *human* experience — yet we are tasked to “take away the psychological
>> or accidental human element” from our comprehension of the elements of the
>> phenomenon, and specifically of semiosic phenomena. Nominalists and others
>> will say it can’t be done; Peirce says “Why not?”
>>
>>
>>
>> As a quibble, it seems to me that one can also say that some elements
>> of our experience are primate experience, and also even mammal experience,
>> rather than specifically human experience. And perhaps these prejudices
>> need to be bracketed out in scientific experience as well.
>>
>> Nietszche said something that may speak to Peirce’s words, though
>> perhaps not completely parallel:
>>
>> "Your true educators and formative teachers reveal to you what the
>> real raw material of your being is, something quite ineducable, yet in any
>> case accessible only with difficulty, bound, paralyzed: your educators can
>> be only your liberators." (Untimely Meditations III)
>>
>> Gene Halton
>>
>>
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