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}The way I explain it, to myself, is:
Pure or Genuine Secondness [2-2] is an interaction [Relation] of
direct physical bruteness. A baseball bat hitting the ball. Period.
Strictly an external observation.
Degenerate Secondness [2-1] has, within the Interaction, a bit of
Firstness added to it, a bit of quality, an internal emotion added.
An internal feeling, a sensation to the interaction of that bat
hitting the ball..
Pure Thirdness is pure Mind. The abstract thought or idea of beauty.
Thirdness with a bit of Secondness added to it [3-2] is a mental act
directly connected to an external physical object/act. Considering a
flower in front of you as the example of that abstract idea of
beauty.
Thirdness with a bit of Firstness added to it [3-1] is a mental act
copying a basic rule. Considering that all red flowers are examples
of beauty.
Not sure if this muddies the terms up even more - but that's how I
explain it to myself.
Edwina
On Sat 24/03/18 10:35 AM , "Stephen C. Rose" stever...@gmail.com
sent:
Not worth getting into a long to do about. If understanding Peirce
wins brownie points count me out. I will ever know as much as the
next. After reading this I feel just as I did when I made the initial
comment. If that clouds my real understanding of Peirce so be it.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose [1]
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 10:31 AM, wrote:
List,
Apparently some on the list find Peirce’s distinction between the
genuine and the degenerate inconvenient. But it’s not that elusive
for those who really want to know what Peirce is talking about. You
could, for instance, consult the index of EP2, or the Commens
Dictionary:
1903 | CSP's Lowell Lectures of 1903. 2nd Part of 3rd Draught of
Lecture III | CP 1.535
Now we found the genuine and degenerate forms of Secondness by
considering the full ideas of first and second. Then the genuine
Secondness was found to be reaction, where first and second are both
true seconds and the Secondness is something distinct from them,
while in degenerate Secondness, or mere reference, the first is a
mere first never attaining full Secondness.
1905 | Letters to Mario Calderoni | MS [R] L67:32-33
…that Secundanity which consists in one man’s having a stature
of 6 feet and another man’s having a stature of 5 feet is a
degenerate Secundanity, since each would be just what he is if the
other were not there, and would be Second in the same way to a merely
possible but non-existent man.
Citation
‘Degenerate Secondness’. Term in M. Bergman & S. Paavola (Eds.),
The Commens Dictionary: Peirce's Terms in His Own Words. New Edition.
Retrieved from
http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/degenerate-secondness [3],
24.03.2018.
Gary f.
From: Jerry LR Chandler
Sent: 23-Mar-18 20:19
To: Stephen C. Rose < stever...@gmail.com [5]>; Peirce List
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Three Interpretants
List:
On Mar 23, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Stephen C. Rose < stever...@gmail.com
[7]> wrote:
The degenerate notions elude me.
Me, too.
This term has a crisp meaning in physics/chemistry terminology.
Cheers
Jerry
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