BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }The way I explain it, to myself, is:
Pure or Genuine Secondness [2-2] is an interaction [Relation] of direct physical bruteness. A baseball bat hitting the ball. Period. Strictly an external observation. Degenerate Secondness [2-1] has, within the Interaction, a bit of Firstness added to it, a bit of quality, an internal emotion added. An internal feeling, a sensation to the interaction of that bat hitting the ball.. Pure Thirdness is pure Mind. The abstract thought or idea of beauty. Thirdness with a bit of Secondness added to it [3-2] is a mental act directly connected to an external physical object/act. Considering a flower in front of you as the example of that abstract idea of beauty. Thirdness with a bit of Firstness added to it [3-1] is a mental act copying a basic rule. Considering that all red flowers are examples of beauty. Not sure if this muddies the terms up even more - but that's how I explain it to myself. Edwina On Sat 24/03/18 10:35 AM , "Stephen C. Rose" stever...@gmail.com sent: Not worth getting into a long to do about. If understanding Peirce wins brownie points count me out. I will ever know as much as the next. After reading this I feel just as I did when I made the initial comment. If that clouds my real understanding of Peirce so be it. amazon.com/author/stephenrose [1] On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 10:31 AM, wrote: List, Apparently some on the list find Peirce’s distinction between the genuine and the degenerate inconvenient. But it’s not that elusive for those who really want to know what Peirce is talking about. You could, for instance, consult the index of EP2, or the Commens Dictionary: 1903 | CSP's Lowell Lectures of 1903. 2nd Part of 3rd Draught of Lecture III | CP 1.535 Now we found the genuine and degenerate forms of Secondness by considering the full ideas of first and second. Then the genuine Secondness was found to be reaction, where first and second are both true seconds and the Secondness is something distinct from them, while in degenerate Secondness, or mere reference, the first is a mere first never attaining full Secondness. 1905 | Letters to Mario Calderoni | MS [R] L67:32-33 …that Secundanity which consists in one man’s having a stature of 6 feet and another man’s having a stature of 5 feet is a degenerate Secundanity, since each would be just what he is if the other were not there, and would be Second in the same way to a merely possible but non-existent man. Citation ‘Degenerate Secondness’. Term in M. Bergman & S. Paavola (Eds.), The Commens Dictionary: Peirce's Terms in His Own Words. New Edition. Retrieved from http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/degenerate-secondness [3], 24.03.2018. Gary f. From: Jerry LR Chandler Sent: 23-Mar-18 20:19 To: Stephen C. Rose < stever...@gmail.com [5]>; Peirce List Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Three Interpretants List: On Mar 23, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Stephen C. Rose < stever...@gmail.com [7]> wrote: The degenerate notions elude me. Me, too. This term has a crisp meaning in physics/chemistry terminology. Cheers Jerry ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu [8] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu [9] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/ [10]peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . Links: ------ [1] http://amazon.com/author/stephenrose [2] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'g...@gnusystems.ca\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [3] http://www.commens.org/dictionary/term/degenerate-secondness [4] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [5] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'stever...@gmail.com\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [6] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'Peirce-L@list.iupui.edu\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [7] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'stever...@gmail.com\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [8] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'peirce-L@list.iupui.edu\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [9] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'l...@list.iupui.edu\',\'\',\'\',\'\') [10] http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm
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