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        Interesting suggestions about the hierarchies of ontologies

        What about Peirce's Six Categorical modes: - which makes the world a
rather complex place.

        There's 3-3 [Thirdness as Thirdness] which is a pure aspatial,
atemporal mode. Pure Mind. That would be Pure Mathematics.

        3-2 and 3-1 are two different types of Habit; i.e., they are spatial
and temporal laws. 

        And there's pure Secondness [2-2] which is simple physical actuality
regardless of laws. 

        But- there's 2-1 - which is a dependent actuality.

        And - pure Firstness [1-1] which is spatial and temporal BUT without
any connections, either physical [as in Secondness] or lawful [as in
Thirdness]. 

        Edwina
 On Wed 22/08/18 11:22 PM , John F Sowa s...@bestweb.net sent:
 Edwina, Gary R, and Jon AS, 
 I agree with your points and with the quotations by Peirce. 
 The challenge is to find a systematic terminology that is 
 consistent with Peirce, with modern conventions in logic, 
 and with the following constraints: 
   1. Logic allows a variable x in ∃x to refer to refer to anything

      mathematical.  That implies that any x that refers to anything 
      in pure mathematics can be said to "exist" in some sense. 
   2. But what sense is that?  Is it some "Platonic Heaven" for all 
      mathematical entities -- including the infinities of integers, 
      real numbers, and Cantor's hierarchies of infinity? 
   3. Those people who deny that anything nonphysical can exist,
claim 
      that mathematical things "depend" on physical things for their 
      existence.  Frege, for example, identified the number 5 with
the 
      totality of all sets of five things in the universe.  But if
the 
      universe is finite, there must be an upper bound on the
integers 
      that can exist.  And that construction fails completely for
real 
      numbers, functions, and higher orders of infinity. 
   4. Some logicians (e.g., Lesniewski, Goodman, Quine...) tried to 
      eliminate sets because they are abstract, and they allow new 
      sets to be constructed from iterations of the empty set.  For 
      example:  {};  {{}};  {{},{{}}.{{{}}}};  {{{}},{{{{}}}}}; ... 
      But Quine relented because he realized that sets or something 
      similar would be necessary to define all of mathematics. 
   5. In his classification of the sciences, Peirce claimed that 
      pure mathematics is the only independent science.  Every other 
      science, including metaphysics, depends on mathematics.  That 
      rules out the option of claiming that mathematics has some 
      kind of dependency on what happens to exist in the universe. 
   6. For his process ontology, Whitehead considered all physical 
      entities to be processes and physical objects to be slowly 
      moving processes.  He considered all processes to be 
      situated in a four-dimensional space time, and mathematical 
      entities to be "eternal objects" in the sense that they are 
      outside space and time. 
   7. Interesting option:  John Wilkins (1668), the first secretary 
      of the British Royal Society, developed an ontology with the 
      help of other members of the society.  See the attached 
      Wilkins.png.  For a copy of his book, see  

https://archive.org/details/AnEssayTowardsARealCharacterAndAPhilosophicalLanguage
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 Wilkins' top-level distinction is Transcendental/Special. 
 He characterized the transcendental branch as "knowing" and the 
 special branch as "being".  Under Transcendental, he placed 
 language, logic, numbers, and metaphysics. 
 Suggestion:  Suppose we name the two branches at the top of 
 any ontology transcendental/physical:  Transcendental would 
 include all abstractions that are independent of space-time: 
 mathematical entities, sign types, and laws of nature. 
 Does anyone have any preferences for or against the pair 
 Transcendental/Physical instead of Mathematical/Physical? 
 John 


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