Edwina, Jon, List, ET: If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e., semiotic. As I've said, it could be a qualisign, an iconic sinsign, a rhematic sinsign, a dicent sinsign [brute actuality]. If anything functions as a stimulus - then it is triadic.
This is a clear example of what I've called the conflation and attempted reduction of *phenomenology* to *logic as semiotic*. The examples of signs which Edwina gives are found and developed in *semeiotic grammar* (the first of the three branches of the classificatory later science of *logic as semeiotic*) *based on the phaneroscopic findings of categoriality in phenomenology*. This would seem to put the cart before the horse. But this has been argued to death; and it would appear that those who would conflate phenomenology with mathematics and/or semeiotic appear unable or unwilling to imagine a phaneroscopic science such as that conceived of by Peirce. It appears that they would either reduce phenomenology to a kind of mathematics or semeiotics or they would attempt to eliminate it altogether. Best, Gary R “Let everything happen to you Beauty and terror Just keep going No feeling is final” ― Rainer Maria Rilke *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 1:08 PM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: > JAS, list > > If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e., semiotic. > As I've said, it could be a qualisign, an iconic sinsign, a rhematic > sinsign, a dicent sinsign [brute actuality]. If anything functions as a > stimulus - then it is triadic. > > Edwina > > > > > > On Tue 24/08/21 12:39 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com sent: > > Edwina, List: > > ET: It seems to me that De Tienne is here referring to the > experience/consciousness that can be understood as a Qualisign, or Iconic > Sinsign or even a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign. > > > On the contrary, André is explicitly discussing phaneroscopy, not > semeiotic. The phaneron encompasses whatever is or could be present to the > mind in any way--not just Signs/mediation (3ns), but also Ideas/quality > (1ns) and Brute Actuality/reaction (2ns). > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:59 AM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> > wrote: > >> List >> >> It seems to me that De Tienne is here referring to the >> experience/consciousness that can be understood as a Qualisign, or Iconic >> Sinsign or even a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign. That is - since all >> experience is triadic - and since the descriptions of 'experience' provided >> by De Tienne seem to emphasize their being individual, unique, >> non-analyzed...then, there is no Thirdness involved. >> >> But, the Peircean notion of synechism/continuity suggests that >> Thirdness/generality/Mind..is somehow, at some time in the interaction, >> involved. "The synechist will not admit that physical and psychical >> phenomena are entirely distinct" 1893 EP2.23 >> >> Bringing in Robert Marty's 'Five Paths'...one wonders: 'where do we go >> from here'? After all, we are here involved purely in the semiosis of >> Firstness and Secondness and yet, as Peirce argues within his synechism, >> Mind or Thirdness has to be involved within not only what WE experience but >> within that objective reality with which we interact. >> >> Edwina >> > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >
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