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Charles Brown wrote:

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People owning stuff is personal property. The aim is not to abolish personal
property. Individual consumer goods would be personally owned.

Private property has the technical connotation of ownership of the social
productive means that are necessary to production in a society with an
enormous division of labor or soicalization and specialization of the
production process. The fuller statement of the goal is abolition of private
property in the basic means of production, for which abolition of private
property is shorthand.

So, individuals would own cars, but not auto manufacturing enterprises.

Private property in the basic or social means of production is a necessary
condition for exploitation.

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I do not understand this.  There is no division of labor or specialization
in a socialist state?

(((((((((

CB: There is enormous division of labor and specialization in the historical socialist 
states. It is pretty much the same level of divsion of labor as the capitalist state 
it takes over from.

  Miners only mine. They don't make steel , by and large. Doctors only don' t usually 
do much more than the speciality of medicine.  Physics profs teach physics mainly.  
Autoworkers make one part of the car . 

Socialism is not the return to small , relatively autonomous/self-sufficient units of 
production as in precapitalist societies.

By the way, this is why there is still exchange (not the market) in socialism.

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