>
>Justin:>These (Manchester and New Deal liberalisms) are economic 
>liberalisms. I'm a political liberal, like Mill
>and
>Rawls.<
>
>please explain.

OK. Manchester liberalism is what we now call libertarianism, favoring a 
nightwatchman state and unfettered free markets with private property. New 
Deal liberalism saved capitalism by creating an admistrative state, lots of 
regulation, and social supports for the less well off under capitalism.

Political liberalism is neutral on the best economic form. Its key idea is 
that freedom is a good, as is self-government. Accordingly it favors a 
limited representative government with elected officials chosen by 
univeresal suffrage and hedged in by extensive civil and political 
liberties. Its classic statement is Mill's On Liberty, a defense of people's 
rights to live without oppressive social legislation or social pressure that 
disfavors experiments in living (in Mill's case, living openly with his 
girlfiend, lover, and collaborator Harriet Taylor), imposes orthodox beliefs 
such as a state religion or adherence to some required secular doctrine, and 
the like. Political liberalism takes no position on the so-called economic 
liberties defended so aggressively by the Manchesterians; Mill was a market 
socialist, personally.

John Rawls' revival of political liberalism makes equal extensive freedom 
the first of the primary social goods; he mixes this with New Dealism by 
restricting inequality of opportunity and ealth to that which would benefit 
the least well off. He thinks that leaves the choice between property owning 
democracy (petty commodity production) and market socialism open.

>
>In any event, the distinction between "political" and "economic" is bogus
>and seems inappropriate to a political economy discussion list.

It's not that there's no distinction, just that it's rough and ready and 
context specific. Here it signifies the neutrality of liberal governmental 
forms among different (socialist and nonsocialist) economic arrangements.

As I said before, almost everyone here--you too--favors representative govt, 
univ. suffrage, extensive civil rights and liberties. In that sense we are 
all liberals.

jks

jks



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