On 4/20/11 11:21 AM, Carrol Cox wrote:
> The U.S. and EU have never once given support to an actual democratic
> movement in any of the world's weaker nations. The question posed idn
> teh subject line is redundant since it is a given that a movement
> supported in any way by the EU or US is not a democratic movement. The
> very existence of a debate among leftists on this topic is immenselly
> sdaddening.

The debate has never been about intervention. It has been about the 
character of the Qaddafi government. By analogy, I had debates with 
Michael Karadjis of the Australian DSP over Milosevic, whether he was 
trying to preserve Titoism in some fashion or not, etc. But neither 
Karadjis or I supported NATO's war.

The problem we are facing in the current debate is that some elements of 
the pro-Qaddafi left are reluctant to come out and say that he is "one 
of us" so their emphasis is more on how rotten his enemies are. I regard 
this approach as cheap demagogy.
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