I'm afraid that the whole discussion of unproductive labor in Marx is
a cul-de-sac. Unproductive labor doesn't produce surplus-value
directly. But that nice certainty goes away when "indirectly
productive" labor (cf. Jim O'Connor) is introduced. It's also unclear
what the theoretical use of unproductive labor is...

On 6/6/06, Walt Byars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From Ernest Mandel's introduction to the Penguin edition of Capital 2

"Productive labor, as labour expended in the realm of production of
commodities, is all wage labor indispensible for that production
process...even managers and stock clerks, insofar as the physical
production of the commodity would be impossible without that labor. But
wage labor which is indifferent to the specific use value of a commodity
and is performed only to extort the maximum surplus value from the work
force or to assure the defence of private property, labour linked to the
particular social and juridicial forms of capitalist production (etc...)
none of these is productive labor for capital"

Why is this? He gives a cite to capital 1 but I couldn't understand Marx's
argument. Why is only the labor PHYSICALLY necessary for the reproduction
of a good factored into its value?



--
Jim Devine / "The crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil
of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An
exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who
is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his
future career." -- Albert Einstein.

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