Piper: That would be zef https://github.com/ugexe/zef
On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 8:51 PM Piper H <pott...@gmail.com> wrote: > What's the package management tool for raku? > The stuff like gem/bundle for ruby and cpanm for perl5. > > Thanks. > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 9:43 AM Ralph Mellor <ralphdjmel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> My 2c: >> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:45 AM Marc Chantreux <e...@phear.org> wrote: >> > >> > > I like ruby and perl >> > >> > so do I but raku is by far my prefered interpreted langage now. >> >> Nit. It's compiled, in the same way Java or C# is compiled. >> >> Consider: >> ``` >> say 42; >> constant foo = die; >> ``` >> If it were interpreted, the `42` would appear, and then the >> program would die. But instead it dies at compile-time >> (`constant`s are initialized at compile-time). >> >> That said, the usual way of using it is to run a program, >> which compiles it, and then, if it successfully compiles, >> immediately runs the compiled program. >> >> > I don't raku that much and most of the time, i read the >> > doc more than i actually write code but when it's writen, >> > it's always elegant and concise the way i never seen before. >> >> Many folk who like Ruby or Python or Lang X say much the >> same thing about those PLs. >> >> > > Maybe perl6 is still not production-ready? >> >> Imo it's as production ready as Python. >> >> > > but why so few open source projects which were developed by perl6? >> >> It's all relative. Compared to most of the thousands of PLs >> with less projects, there are lots of projects developed in Raku. >> >> But you presumably mean in comparison to the likes of Python and Ruby. >> >> There are many factors. Some I'd focus on are: >> >> * It's unusual. Few folk like that. >> >> * It has a large language surface area. Few folk like that. >> >> * It's very slow. Very few folk like that. >> >> * It has no widely recognized distinctive compelling use case. >> >> As a consequence of these and other factors there is minimal >> interest in it so far, let alone adoption. >> >> So now, one can add another factor: >> >> * It isn't interesting to most, and has had minimal adoption so far. >> Almost NO folk are OK with that. >> >> So now, one can add another factor: >> >> * Almost NO folk want to help develop it. And you can't attract >> them either. Unless they get it. Because then they fall in love >> with it. And so it rolls. For now. >> >> So, for now, it needs more work, as it has always done. >> >> > * raku shines on interpreted langages when people are >> > moving to compiled langages >> >> It's a compiled language, so that's not quite right. Perhaps >> you meant it's dynamically typed rather than statically typed, >> but that's not quite right either. >> >> If one squints, it's an open source alternative to Oracle's >> Truffle/Graal/JVM, but it's waaaay slower. >> >> > * raku is that rich it's hard to get it in a first view >> >> I'd say it's hard to *ever* get most of it. It's as ambitious >> as Truffle/Graal/JVM, perhaps even more so. >> >> But it should and *will* be easy to get it a little at a time. >> >> But we're not there yet. >> >> There's a fairly obvious way to make it vastly easier. >> >> Which is to create mini languages that aren't Raku >> but showcase selected parts of its talents. >> >> But that will have to wait until RakuAST lands. >> >> And perhaps a language version *after* that. >> >> So perhaps 3-4 years if we're lucky. >> >> > * raku is still way too slow to be taken seriously >> > by a large audience >> >> Yes. For now. >> >> > * js or python developpers are legions on the market >> > now so everyone choose this as an argument >> >> Yes. And ts devs too. >> >> > * we need more packages on raku.land >> >> I don't think that's important. We need better Inlines. >> >> We need to deflate the packages/modules/libs argument. >> >> > * i really think technologies are massively adopted when they are >> > packaged in main linux distros because lot of people don't want to >> > bother compiling an interpreter or adding extra repos to do it. >> >> I can see there being an opportunity to create a popular >> package before this decade is out in the form of (a fresh >> repackaging of) NQP as a "Raku Rules" engine / latter >> day PCRE / new alternative to Truffle/Graal/JVM. >> >> -- >> love, raiph >> >
