Hi Steve,
The "that" clearly refers to the precedent sentence:
Since the inception of messaging networks,
governments and societies worldwide have
instituted surveillance for all kinds of
essential legitimate purposes - especially
where the potential harm to people is great.
"Pervasive monitoring" seems an utterly meaningless
term used for political rhetoric/evangelical purposes
that isn't worth pursuing. That should be a first order
conclusion.
The point was that this is all about risk management.
However, if you or anyone else want to denominate
a religious abstraction as an "attack" - go for it. :-)
It'll be fun to watch.
--tony
On 10/14/2013 9:00 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
On 10/14/2013 01:47 PM, Tony Rutkowski wrote:
Most citizens want that to continue because
the risks of not doing so are great.
If the "that" above refers to pervasive monitoring,
then please provide evidence (but please do so in
another thread, I bet it'll not be conclusive
enough that one mail will be convincing;-)
If you are referring to tracking or surveillance
of a specific set of targets, then a) that's irrelevant
for this list/discussion which is about pervasive
monitoring, and b) see RFC 2804.
As an aside, its also misleading to speak of citizens
here, since most of us are not citizens of the same
country, for all values of country. So while it is
important and relevant that different jurisdictions
put in place policy/political controls on pervasive
monitoring, those are also not relevant for this
list since in general our protocols can be used
across all possible jurisdictional boundaries.
So as many have opined, the IETF is a
technical standards body,
Yes we are. And given that pervasive monitoring is
in some ways indistinguishable from other forms of
attack, we should treat those aspects as an attack
and put in place the best technical mitigations we
can.
And as a reminder the question for this thread,
is whether or not going further than MTI would help
with that.
S.
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