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> On 18 Jun 2014, at 12:04, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: > > Hi Yuriy, > > I can't really comment on the overal questions you are asking. But please > keep in mind that Apple's Cocoa has had a little bit more resource behind it, > for many decades, of course they have a nice design and excellent > documentation. I'm not telling that Spec is bad. In fact I like it. I'm just telling than maybe we should write a tutorial on how to develop UI in Pharo. Uko > > I actually have a calculator project which contains a Spec GUI and Seaside > GUI on the same model ready, with shared unit tests at the model and both GUI > levels. I even use some kind of meta spec to generate both GUIs > automatically. My goal is to write a Pharo tutorial about that. But I need > more time (I haven't started yet). I'll see what I can do. > > Overall, although Spec is new to me, I found it acceptable for building > functional GUIs. > > Sven > >> On 18 Jun 2014, at 11:40, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymc...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> I was very frustrated, but as usually complaints are useless, I’ll try to be >> constructive. Maybe the problem is not about Spec itself but all the UI >> related tool-chain. >> >> I find UI very fragile part in software design. And by now I’ve seen only 2 >> very nice documentations on how to develop UI (with MVC). One was for Ruby >> on Rails, and another was for iOS applications. Documentation was >> straightforward: 1) this is how your model, view and controller should look >> like, 2) this is how they have to talk, 3) other useful cases. >> >> Now, there is description about how to do something with Spec, and it’s >> cool, but for example I always get myself caught in initialisation stuff. >> Spec intends that I provide some default solution if it’s not initialised >> with proper data. And I even cannot initialise some variables, because >> initialisation of superclass initialises widgets and they need default >> behaviour. I can move to sort of lazy initialisation stuff, but maybe there >> is some reason in making some calculator example tutorial that will show how >> mvc apps should be developed in Pharo? >> >> Uko > >
