Did you check that in Phro for the entreprise there is a calculator
tutorial based on spec.
Sven I'm interested reading yours.
Yuriy if you give us 1% of the money spent on Cocoa pharo will not look
the same at all.
Did you see that most of us are not payed to develop pharo?
Stef
On 18/6/14 12:04, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
Hi Yuriy,
I can't really comment on the overal questions you are asking. But please keep
in mind that Apple's Cocoa has had a little bit more resource behind it, for
many decades, of course they have a nice design and excellent documentation.
I actually have a calculator project which contains a Spec GUI and Seaside GUI
on the same model ready, with shared unit tests at the model and both GUI
levels. I even use some kind of meta spec to generate both GUIs automatically.
My goal is to write a Pharo tutorial about that. But I need more time (I
haven't started yet). I'll see what I can do.
Overall, although Spec is new to me, I found it acceptable for building
functional GUIs.
Sven
On 18 Jun 2014, at 11:40, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymc...@me.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
I was very frustrated, but as usually complaints are useless, I’ll try to be
constructive. Maybe the problem is not about Spec itself but all the UI related
tool-chain.
I find UI very fragile part in software design. And by now I’ve seen only 2
very nice documentations on how to develop UI (with MVC). One was for Ruby on
Rails, and another was for iOS applications. Documentation was straightforward:
1) this is how your model, view and controller should look like, 2) this is how
they have to talk, 3) other useful cases.
Now, there is description about how to do something with Spec, and it’s cool,
but for example I always get myself caught in initialisation stuff. Spec
intends that I provide some default solution if it’s not initialised with
proper data. And I even cannot initialise some variables, because
initialisation of superclass initialises widgets and they need default
behaviour. I can move to sort of lazy initialisation stuff, but maybe there is
some reason in making some calculator example tutorial that will show how mvc
apps should be developed in Pharo?
Uko
