Interesting.
Now as I always say: do and build trust.
Our plates are full but there are plenty to empty plates around.
Stef
Le 3/1/15 03:07, Krishsmalltalk a écrit :
From a wide survey done for Openstack:
"the top four business drivers, according to the user survery, were
*Ability to Innovate, Open Technology, Cost Savings and Avoiding
Vendor Lock-In.* Ability to innovate is ranked first"
This message can be showcased in examples of Pharo deployments and
direct user reports.
Sudhakar krishnamachari
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:48 AM, S Krish
<krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com
<mailto:krishnamachari.sudha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
*Wishes for a great new year for Pharo.. !..*
Subjective topics are the easiest to waste one's effort on, though
are essential in their own way, if we restrain ourselves. Pharo to me
is headed in the right direction with the right evangelists at its
core. There should not be a dilution to it in any pursuit.
a) PR and spreading the awareness is important to a pursuit of
increasing usage of the technology but not essential.
b) For a software platform ( again I say Pharo / Smalltalk is a
platform not a langauge ), it is question of :
Success is not from Pharo Platform per se but from its*usable
frameworks:*
* Seek success organically, evolve to be the best fit for
enterprise programming, this can be through any of Seaside,
Teapot+Zn, Glamour toolkit, Jun, Open CL/R other interfaces, R Pi
custom OS, etc.. or as in mega framework like OpenStack in Pharo
weaving in existing elements of the mega framework for now.. et als.
Make the framework use simple, scalable, flexible that it is viral in
its growth for the programmers.
* Small business application ( not helloworld ) should be say a
1-3 hr work with documentation given. Rails promised that hiding its
complexity to user discovery but by then the user is hooked on enough
to provide his inputs / improve the framework. I liked the Teapot,
Amber need to push more around that kernel to make it scale upto
creating a full application framework deployable in 3 hrs.
*Pharo Platform:*
* The platform offers stable and guaranteed behavior across
fundamentals of operations (all of CPU/ Mem/ OS resource use et als
), security specially that ensures programmers can easily convince
the CEO/CTO's to allow their pet projects to be integrated. Gaps will
exist and programmers will fulfill it and grow the frameworks. Make
the users feel as both "winners" and "owners" in using the
frameworks. Yes we need visionaries to lead those frameworks.
* Make it as modular as possible to be able to use it just plain
commandline, with or without UI and its varied tools but with any of
the packages with dependencies that are well structured and easily
updateable.
* The platform if it targets the enterprise will have to target
enterprise interfaces viz: DBMS, MQ, WS , deployment through easy
integration with Apache webserver or other common platforms. This is
an incremental goal driven by state of Pharo now and overal ecosystem
of its platform progressing together.
*PR:*
* Seek to push what you have to others through PR, at best this
can only be adjunct to the above, will probably yield some benefit
but will not be the raison-de-etre of the success of a product.
Infact one part of PR I believe works ( not something many
intellectuals prefer) create sub-forums/ sub-committees and make more
and more people be part of it.
* I would much rather prefer having a website that showcases each
enterprise use like in Seaside the web application framework. But
what the seaside site lacks is a complete brief on deploying a web
app end to end with DBMS integration, easy css, js, et als integrated
in 1 - 3 hrs, fairly customized to my first prototype I require.
Similar focussed sites should exist that can be simple 1-2-3
instruction for the helloworld and scale up quickly within a day to a
workable app customized for requirement. Most important leverage as
much of pre-existing skills as in HTML, CSS, JS, MQ, DBMS, ORM et
als.. rather than create a new learning curve of the developer. The
kernel should be a killer feature as in Seaside/ Teapot but they need
to keep the continuum.. while taking the high ground
Let me put my hands on some of these efforts and then talk more. I am
greatly interested in pushing Pharo to enterprise use atleast for a
personal pursuit, let this new year resolution be to see that happens
before the year runs out.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:01 AM, horrido <horrido.hobb...@gmail.com
<mailto:horrido.hobb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Smalltalk isn't the ultimate language for me, either. I happen to
like Go a
lot. And it's conceivable that someone may come up with another
truly great
programming language in the future.
