lot of time ago we decided *not* to pretend imitate any OS L&F, because is first a lot of work, and second a lose of time: they do not fit, and if you want to make them fit for real you need to spend *really* much time there (and you probably will fail anyway). Themes remained there without being maintained and they started to break. As no one uses it, no one noticed :) So we started to remove them. Now… I would like to not just remove anything, but to move them to a graveyard, where it can be revived by any necromancer who wants to give them a try. We need to improve there. w2k theme was… old. Didn’t fit with any current L&F, not windows either.
So, if you used the w2k theme just because of the icons (and also… I have to say it: windows and mac *is not* the same: windows is plenty of home-made L&F that does not respect any design rule… mac is not like that). But well, coming back: if you want that old theme just for the icons, I just recommend you to take current theme and modify it to have the icons where you want (should not be so difficult). In the long term, it will be a lot more maintainable :) cheers, Esteban > On 03 Apr 2015, at 16:07, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: > > >> On 03 Apr 2015, at 15:57, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev >> <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> >> >> Date: 3 Apr 2015 15:53:56 CEST >> From: Benoit St-Jean <bstj...@yahoo.com> >> Reply-To: Benoit St-Jean <bstj...@yahoo.com> >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions >> >> >> Kilon, >> >> I can perfectly understand that "not everything has to be in the image" and >> that, ultimately, someone has to maintain that code. The only problem I >> have with the removal of that theme is that more than 55% of users are >> running some flavor of Windows. It's not as if someone would ask for an >> OS/2 or a Motif UI theme! There are *LOTS* of people on Windows still ! > > There is no such thing as *one* Windows look (or version), there are many: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Usage_share > > We simply cannot maintain them, nor do we want to. > > Note that we do not maintain any other platform specific look&feels. > >> ----------------- >> Benoit St-Jean >> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >> Pinterest: benoitstjean >> IRC: lamneth >> Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com >> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) >> >> From: kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 9:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions >> >> >> >> >> "The point is, every piece of code needs to be written and maintained which >> takes time and energy from other activities." >> >> >> I completely agree with you. I have zero issues of main pharo developers >> kicking out libraries that are not so much used by pharo users. Those >> libraries are perfectly capable of existing as third party. >> >> I also love the plan to make pharo modular, remove libraries from inside and >> make it easy to install. This way each one of us can easily make an image >> tailor made for his/her needs. Each pharo user is an individual with >> individual needs. >> >> Installing libraries is dead easy with the Configuration Browser , including >> their dependencies , just one click away. >> >> Of course that leaves whos going to maintain that stuff. I agree with >> Marcus here, "you want it in pharo , code it".The theme support in Pharo is >> very powerful , I know because I created my own custom blue theme and a tool >> to allow easy customization of theme colors with zero coding (Nireas). I >> expected that by now Nireas would be replaced by another way more powerful >> theme manager but it has not. Why ? Not because my theme manager is very >> good, but because the community is just too small. I love using my blue >> theme and fits perfect to my taste and needs ;) >> >> In the end no code can be more personal than the code you create. >> >> There is no need for everything to exist inside the image , great things can >> exist outside too. All it needs people who really care about pharo by coding >> for it. >> >> >> >> >> > >
