and what do you do to change the situation?
Stef On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: > After following the discussion for some time, I have the impression that > there are some smalltalkers suffering similar usability problems like my > friend and me and some more or less enjoy the actual state. > Dolphin 6 Professional introduced IdeaSpace. With that you can have both - > single windows and tabbed windows. > It's up to the user to either open windows outside IdeaSpace as independent > windows or inside IdeaSpace as tabbed windows. > Having the free choice is a good thing. Especially if you don't want to > alienate newcomers that are used to use tabbed windows. I like this approach. > > I haven't looked at TWM yet due to lack of time. I am hardly able to read the > mail traffic in the evenings. > But I asked my friend to have a look at it. He promised to do so although > it's not suited to Pharo 1.2.1. > As Pharo 1.3 is not yet stable I fear that he might have new problems in > other areas. > > What strikes me during this discussion is that nobody seem to have the same > problem with window sizes and positions. > I don't like RealEstateAgent and I don't think that a revamped one will solve > the problems. At least as long it doesn't provide the possibility > to set sizes on the fly. No algorithm can guess the requirements of all users. > I also haven't heard about applications written in Squeak or Pharo and what > about user thereof think about the usability. IMO there is a lack of > an appropriate framework for dealing with such things. Or is everybody > developing web applications nowadays? > > I have a hard time to promote Smalltalk because of its actual state. I always > tell people about my favorite programming > language, but I also tell them that alas there is no good implementation of > it available. This is sad but true, even if Pharo and Squeak made > big progress during the last months. Both, Squeak and Pharo, aren't products > but just tools. And that makes a big difference. > The commercial products have characteristics that make them not very > attractive to people not yet involved. Despite Dolphin they all have > dated user interfaces, too. When I try to convince people to have a look at > Dolphin they typically tell me: very nice but it seems to be dead already. > > Regards, > Andreas
