Dont we all have problems we try to find solutions for ? I find nothing wrong with that. You may think I try to insult you, I can assure you I am not that kind of person and I respect your opinion.
I am curious are you going to be one of those 4 developers that will make contributions to Spec ? Or are you a Spec contributor already ? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Johan Fabry <jfa...@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Kilon, it’s not nice of you to say that I have a problem. I have an > opinion, not a problem. > > And I’m saying that we have 4 developers at most, not 10. > > > On Feb 12, 2015, at 14:35, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And there lies your problem. You dont agree with me and I dont agree with > you and the next guy wont agree with either of us. > > So how exactly are you going to convince 10 people to work on the GUI API > of your choosing ? Are you going to pull out the argument that all theses > APIs are doing more less the same thing ? Good luck convincing them. I will > certainly not be one of them when the center of my philosophy is "the devil > is in the details". > > All pharo developers may end up focusing on Spec for example will be > enough reason for me to consider abandoning Pharo because I don't like > Spec. Most likely I wont because I will find a way not to have to use it > but you get my point. > > Coding is not there just to satisfy practical needs (because otherwise I > would not even being using Pharo) its even more about personal taste , this > is why we have tons of programming languages and even more libraries. Also > the bigger the library it is the slower it moves because of backward > compatibility and having to make happy a big user base. You want to add a > new feature ? Sure can do . You dont like the general design ? Oops sorry > you are out of luck. > > Personally I like Morphic, I heavily dislike Spec and the verdict is open > for Bloc. I will have to use Bloc on a project to make up my mind but so > far I have been told that Bloc is a work in progress in early stages. So > for me the situation is crystal clear Morphic all the way and if I find > something I don't like, subclass and improve. > > But there are many people out there that love Spec and Bloc may be proven > an excellent replacement for Morphic who knows , we definitely wont know if > everyone start focusing on Spec alone. And I am glad they dont. But in any > case I would not want to force my opinion on other people and instead I > recognize that people want different things. > > So I definitely approve of many options and I also approve that pharo core > developers try to make Pharo more modular to make it easier to mix > different libraries together , I think that will be so awesome. > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Johan Fabry <jfa...@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:12, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> All of the above frameworks have tons of users so one thing that this >> shows us is that fragmentation is really beneficial to a community. The >> reason is simple, >> >> GUI is so complex subject but there will never be one ring to rule them >> all. Many have tried, all of them have failed. >> >> >> I don’t agree. If we would have more than 10 developers working on GUI >> frameworks in Pharo this may be the case. But we don’t have this number. If >> we are very lucky we may have 4. >> >> I would rather have 4 persons pulling a large cart in the same direction, >> instead of 4 of them pulling their own cart (1/4th the size) in >> more-or-less the same direction (if at all) as the other guys. In the first >> case a lot more progress will be made. If there is something wrong with the >> cart, fix it! Do not waste all this time building your own. >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >
