On 5 December 2017 at 14:50, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:49 AM, horrido <horrido.hobb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Understood. I'm working on a Pharo Quick Start guide. If it passes muster > > with you guys, you may want to link to it, or incorporate its contents > into > > the pharo.org website. > Sure let us know. > > > > However, I've stumbled on an odd obstacle: downloading and running the > > Default GNU/Linux zip file. According to the Linux installation page, > and I > > quote: > > > > Version 6.1 for several common GNU/Linux configurations. The zip files > > contain everything necessary. Just download and run the executable. For > more > > download options, see the sections below. > > ./pharo-ui Pharo61.image & > I guess this is to make `pharo` look "normal" when used for non-gui scripting from the command line. It still bites me occasionally depending on what context I've been working in, but I can live with that. This is the sort of thing a Quick Start will be good for. cheers -ben > > > I am unable to "run the executable" without further explanation. I'm > > guessing that it's missing the Pharo VM, which apparently isn't included > in > > the download. > > Why would it be? > > > > > > A newbie looking at this installation page and trying to get started with > > Pharo under Linux would be totally confused and frustrated. Hell, *I'm > > totally confused and frustrated!* > > As you see this can be fixed without losing more time on that. > > > > > > > > > > Stephane Ducasse-3 wrote > >> Hi > >> > >> We have a full mooc with 90 videos, we have books. And we are super > busy. > >> You see we cannot do everything. > >> > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:15 AM, horrido < > > > >> horrido.hobbies@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>> Speaking of which, one of my readers said he tried out Pharo recently > and > >>> found the documentation wanting. He was expecting a Getting Started > guide > >>> at > >>> the pharo.org website and couldn't find one. So he had to blunder > around > >>> a > >>> bit. > >>> > >>> I told him he could've looked at "Chapter 2: A quick tour of Pharo" in > >>> the > >>> *Pharo by Example 5* book, but he's right. There ought to be something > >>> obvious at the pharo.org website that helps a newbie get Pharo up and > >>> running, understand how to basically use the Pharo IDE, and write the > >>> standard "Hello World" program. > >>> > >>> I checked out squeak.org and found the same documentation issue! Why > is > >>> this??? > >>> > >>> > >>> Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote > >>>> Documentation is going well. In fact the stuff that kept me away of > >>>> Squeak, despite of its potential was the lack of documentation. "The > >>>> artifact is the curriculum" was to powerful but too heavy. You need a > >>>> way to understand how to deconstruct and navigate the artifact that is > >>>> usually anchored with the culture you have (books and reading) instead > >>>> of only launching inspectors os browsing the code. Grafoscopio is my > >>>> attempt to fill that gap between the world of objects/simulations and > >>>> the world of scripts/documents. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Offray >
