Thanks for sharing that, Peter. It's an important point. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:02 PM Peter Kenny <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote:
> I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some > worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need for generality in > any code, but the vagueness of the drafting seems to me to open it up to > all sorts of mischief. Consider the paragraph: " *Project maintainers > have the right and responsibility* to remove, edit, or reject comments, > commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not > aligned to this Code of Conduct, or* to ban temporarily or permanently > any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate*, > threatening, offensive, or harmful." The bits I have bolded mean that the > maintainers can apply punitive measures based on what they deem > inappropriate. Shouldn't the concept of "due process" come into this? The > FAQ section, under the heading "What should I do if I have been accused of > violating the code of conduct?", makes no mention of defending ones > actions; the only option is to admit guilt and work with the accusers to > reform. The inclusion of the words "they deem" opens the way to all sort of > subjectivity. Just for one instance, Sven recently thought it inappropriate > that John Pfersich mentioned in passing in this list that, besides > programming, his hobbies include shooting, which is a legal activity in > most countries and an Olympic sport. Others disagreed in the thread, but > Sven's message remained "don't do it." If John mentioned it again, could > that be a violation of the code? The fact that this particular code, > evidently the creation of one person, is accepted by others should not mean > it is automatically accepted. There is an obligation to look at it in > detail; when I do, I think there are problems. Peter Kenny > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > > On 11 Sep 2019, at 19:07, James Foster <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=email&email=Smalltalk%40>> wrote: > > >> > On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=email&email=offray.luna%40>> wrote: >> > >> On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby Vojčík wrote: >>> I found Contributor > Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >>> Pharo, three months ago. > This is unacceptable under any circumstances. >>> >>> Have fun in your woke > hell. >> >> I would like to have more details about this. For those of us > who don't >> believe in hell, what is the problem of an explicit Code of > Conduct? > > More specifically, what behavior does the Code prohibit that > you would otherwise do? > > For my part, while I might not subscribe to the > full progressive agenda, I wasn’t planning any racial or ethnic slurs (or a > theological discussion of the afterlife—but feel free to ask me > privately!), so don’t find this “woke” agenda too constricting. > > James > Indeed. For those new to the discussion, we are talking about > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which > is quite popular and generally accepted. Sven > > > ------------------------------ > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >
