I can send it to you later if you'd like to see it.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Maeder <appywan...@hotmail.com>
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:05:05 
To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

Sorry John. All I have is my phone right now and can't see the pics for some 
reason.

> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:42:09 -0800
> From: john9...@pacbell.net
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
> 
> If you look at the pictures at the link I posted yesterday, you can see there 
> was no way a spring could have been inserted between the suspension and the 
> capture nut. The capture nut is molded as part of the suspension bolt.
> John Robles
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/9/10, John Maeder <appywan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: John Maeder <appywan...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:11 AM
> 
> Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the 
> threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the 
> weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage?  It would seem 
> that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a 
> compulsive over-engineer as Edison.  A loose spring could easily be lost and 
> thus not evident in surviving examples.  Are there any original parts sheets 
> for this type of horn support?
> 
> > From: steve_nor...@msn.com
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500
> > Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
> > 
> > 
> > > From: gbogan...@charter.net
> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
> > > 
> > >     I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an 
> > > Edison 
> > > Fireside.  As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force 
> > > placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the 
> > > carriage. 
> > > It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling 
> > > from 
> > > my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose.  This allows the 
> > > rubber 
> > > coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a 
> > > more uniform carriage pressure.  But this original setup was not 
> > > satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring 
> > > to 
> > > suspend the horn from the crane.
> > > 
> > > Greg Bogantz
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Steven Medved" <steve_nor...@msn.com>
> > > To: "phonolist" <phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; "Phono-l" 
> > > <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM
> > > Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring?  How do these 
> > > > work without the coil spring?  I have seen them but it does not look 
> > > > like 
> > > > a workable system to me.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
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