Maybe I am missing something, but isn't popen MT unsafe on alot of platforms?

-Jason

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From: "Andrei Zmievski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] making mail() funtion work without sendmail on UNIX systems


> For the record, I agree with Rasmus on this one. It sounds silly to
> reinvent the wheel on UNIX.
> 
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote:
> > 
> > > Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > >
> > >   > I am really not a big fan of putting smtp code into PHP on UNIX.  The
> > >   > whole philosophy of UNIX is to have a collection of small specialized
> > >   > tools that work together instead of one mammoth tool.  Which UNIX system
> > >   > does not have the ability to send mail?  We really should not be
> > >   > re-inventing every wheel out there.
> > >
> > > #1 unified configuration in php.ini for win *and* unix
> > 
> > That's just silly.  The aim is then to implement all the things that don't
> > come standard with Windows but are part of UNIX in PHP?
> > 
> > > #2 From: header settings both message and SMTP
> > 
> > As long as you have a trusted sender id you can set the From header
> > already on UNIX.
> > 
> > > #2 independance of how good the /usr/lib/sendmail binary
> > >     emulation provided by different MTAs (if at all) is
> > 
> > So we are going to be rewriting sendmail.  Great.
> > 
> > > #4 error checking
> > 
> > Hrm.. Maybe, although that could be handled.
> > 
> > You completely lose the most important feature.  A non-blocking mail()
> > call which queues the message.  Having a web app wait on an smtp delivery
> > is crap.  Mail should be delivered out of band.
> > 
> > > what happens today if you have an application that does more
> > > then just simple informative messages with PHP is that you
> > > stay away from mail() altogether and talk SMTP using fsockopen()
> > > as the sendmail binary interface is just not up to what you need
> > 
> > I haven't seen anybody do this on UNIX.
> > 
> > -Rasmus
> > 
> > 
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> -Andrei
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