At 01:08 AM 3/16/2002 +0100, Stig S. Bakken wrote:
>On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 22:08, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > At 21:36 13/03/2002, Shane Caraveo wrote:
> > > > I thought we weren't wasting any more time with this? :)
> > >
> > >Yeah, I'm getting realy tired of having to argue for something that should
> > >be a base part of the language.
> >
> > Kodus on the tactics :)
>
>I understand Shane's point of view very well here.  PHP _needs_ a way of
>loading modules at runtime, not some half-solution like preloading from
>php.ini or directories where everything is preloaded.  I had given up on
>this one until Shane popped out of the woodwork.

Stig,

It doesn't *need* a way of loading modules at run-time. I completely 
disagree with that as I believe that the ability to load shared objects at 
server startup is more than enough. Except for you guys thinking it's cool 
I don't think it's something which is desperately needed.
Personally even if PHP had the ability of dynamically loading at run-time I 
wouldn't use it. I always prefer setting up my environment in a 
deterministic way.


>What I don't understand is your insisting on that dynamically loading
>extensions at runtime in PHP is not possible, when it is possible in for
>example Perl running as a MT server plugin.  It just doesn't make
>sense.  If you don't have enough interest in runtime loading to find
>time to implement it, that's fine, but please say so instead of fighting
>the whole idea.  Both Shane and I have enough interst to make an effort.

Everything is possible but the way PHP works right now it's extremely 
difficult.

I think you guys often exaggerate on the desperate need of stuff. There is 
a reason why hundreds of thousands of PHP users haven't begged for it. Most 
people don't miss it...

Also I think the never ending comparison of people to Perl & Python in lots 
of aspects not only dynamic loading is getting a bit old. Certain 
developers here say stuff like "Well Perl & Python have it and PHP will 
stink unless it does the same". Maybe it's time to start using Perl & 
Python for those people :) I think PHP gives the users lots of stuff those 
other two languages don't give.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be argumentative but let's try and be a bit more 
realistic here

Andi


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