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From: John Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 January 2007 03:15
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] most powerful php editor


Dear god  Arnot, would you like to stand back for a moment and consider
how retarded those statements are, or would you like for me to do it for
you?

Whether you use a powerful IDE or not, you still have to use the same
compiler underneath.  In PHP, that "compiler" is the web server.  Unless
you buy an IDE that contains a mini-server for you to test the files,
yoru comparison between IDEs and word processors is ludicrous at best.

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That's the point I was trying to make, but obviously not very well.

A good PHP IDE does have a built-in web server. It can do profiling,
debugging, error high-lighting, project level function cross-checking,
scope-checking, defines checking, version control, internal ftp, db
front-end, and a whole truckload of other features that help you manage
large projects. Sure it's not going to turn a monkey into a coding guru, but
it's sure going to help anyone trying to manage large complex environments.
I had the fortune to work with a brilliant IBM IDE years ago when I was
working in C, and I discovered how much more you can get done (code and
complexity) when you use the right tools. When I moved to PHP I struggled
for the first while working on a project with more than a hundred files and
more than a hundred db tables, using a bunch of unintegrated tools to get
the job done. I could make it work but it was a laborious process of
cross-checking every step of the way. And the biggest problem was no
debugger. Now with a real IDE I can work between 4 and 10 times as fast, and
tackle bigger projects and far more complex stuff. But as Robert said, to
each their own.

BTW I did once have the misfortune of having to prepare about 100 documents
for ECITE back in 2002, each doc about 20-50 pages. Between projects and
short of cash. I'm no document formatter - I far prefer coding for 18 hrs a
day than spending 18 hrs a day formatting documents, no matter how good the
word processor. I believe there are people who lap this kind of stuff up,
but I'm not one of them. I got the job done but would never do it again. A
good example where the right tools can't turn a monkey into a pro. But my
point is that not even the pro's could do it properly without the right
tools.

Arno

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