Shawn Walker wrote:
Robert Milkowski wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
integrated as opposed to providing other tools to accomplish the
same task.
Shawn - after having all that discussion I was thinking, are you
proposing actually something like:
cat pseudo_code_pkgnodeps.sh
pkgrecive $1 | grep -v "^depend " | pkgsend -n $package--nodeps
pkg install $package--nodeps
More like:
pkgrecv -s <src_repo> -d <dest_repo> --no-deps $1
pkg install pkg://my_publisher/$1
This is not that bad then, especially if -d could be ommited and default
local depo would be used.
If yes why not to implement it as a feature of pkg?
Because there is a high cost in doing so and it doesn't belong there.
Just as *NIX systems often have separate tools that can be combined to
perform jobs in efficient useful ways (think awk, grep, sed, etc.),
the pkg(5) commands also are each suited to a different task. pkgrecv
/ pkgsend are for publication, pkg for managing images, pkg.depotd for
serving packages, etc.
But at the same time not everyone is a package developer and an obvious
place to look for --nodeps for a sysadmin would be a tool to install a
package, like they have already been used to on other platforms.
IMHO sometimes one has to compromise a goal of being totally correct
with end-user usability and Solaris did suffer because of it many times
in tha past.
In this particular case, assumin that local depo would be ready to use
out of the box (which is already the case iirc) I think that putting
extra section in pkg manpage which will explain with an example on how
to re-publish a package without its dependencies in one single command
to a local or remote repository then that would be good enough.
Right now it would be a manual process and for any sysadmin not
familiar with package building with ips it would be utterly
frustrating to do it at 3am because of some production issue needed
to be fixed now, but once above would be implemented and hidden from
a user then that would be more than fine.
For some reason the 3am arguments remind me of semi-recent USA
political campaigns ;)
As my friend used to say - "it's all about perception". The 3am argument
is a real life experience one and a whole discussion imho is more about
misunderstanding each other than the feature itself.
Because ips is relatively new and many people are not that much familiar
with how to build or publish packages with it the idea of republishing
seems like a lot to do... but actually it is not, especially if
something like pkgrecv --nodeps
Assuming an example and description would end-up in pkg manpage I'm
entirely happy with such approach
:)
--
Robert Milkowski
http://milek.blogspot.com
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