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Today's Topics:
1. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (David Schwartz)
2. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (Steve Litt)
3. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (Ryan Petris)
4. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (techli...@phpcoderusa.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 12:59:23 -0700
From: David Schwartz <newslett...@thetoolwiz.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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On Jul 2, 2025, at 8:58 AM, mike/r via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Yep, I should've been more clear. The 85K is annual, and H1-B visas can
potentially be in force for 6 years,
All visas have a limited life span. Some can't be renewed; some can be renewed
by the applicant with their Sponsor?s agreement, and some can/must be renewed
by their Sponsor. I?ve seen someone say that H1B visas have a 3-year term, and
their SPONSOR (ie, their employer in this case) can file to renew them. Given
that the backlog for Adjustment of Status for people from India are literally
taking 10 years right now, it?s clear that there?s quite a long line of people
with multiple renewals of their visas pending their Adjustment (ie, Green
Card), far beyond 6 years.
If the visa is not renewed for any reason, then the Adjustment of Status filing
gets cancelled and they?ll have to start over. For someone from India, if their
visa is not renewed in, say, year 9, then everything has to restart from
scratch.
so that's up to 510K. Somewhere around another 50% are issued to entities
outside the cap (education, government, and non-profit research), so around
700K outstanding seems reasonable. Thanks for clarifying.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:30:24 -0400
From: Steve Litt <sl...@444domains.com>
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 04:48:47 -0700
From: "Ryan Petris" <r...@petris.net>
To: PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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Too bad we can't agree on things anymore... the Democrat platform has become "not Trump"
and "not whatever the Republicans are doing", thus by definition we'll never agree on
anything again. Democrats will take the anti-Republican stance regardless of how absurd it is.
That's probably already enough to get me in trouble so I'll stop there.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, at 4:30 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 07:27:41 -0700
From: techli...@phpcoderusa.com
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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Steve, we have the uni-party. Go to Washington to get rich. I'm sure
that effected policy and that is why so much is off shored.
Liz Chaney entered congress worth $2mill and 4 years later was worth
$4mil. Nancy Pelosi entered politics worth $3mil, 30 years ago and is
worth $300mil today. Just two examples.
Bad representation leads to bad policy.
On 2025-07-03 04:30, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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