Ryan,
No, you won't "get into trouble" by saying things in mailing lists like
the PLUG lists. But you also won't get a pass when you start spouting
some obviously MAGA inspired bothsidesing. Democrats have always been
the leaders in bipartisanship. Starting with Ronald Reagan, Republicans
have been the leaders in taking the position of "It's our way or the
highway for YOU!"
A statement like "all politicians are crooks and liars," seeks to
equalize the vastly different levels of despicable concepts held by the
MAGA Righties and the Commie Lefties. Only bigoted Righties seem to be
unable to complain about the current administration's disregard for the
rights and due process guaranteed by the US Constitution for EVERYONE,
not just citizens. Only the Righties who want a US theocracy, rather
than a democracy, can be okay with Muslims, pro-choice advocates and
gays being targeted for punishment simply because they disagree with
Christian fanaticism.
Honest Christians are charged with trying to emulate Jesus, which means
you should forgive and love even your enemies.
Tim
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 12:59:23 -0700
> From: David Schwartz <newslett...@thetoolwiz.com>
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> Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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>> On Jul 2, 2025, at 8:58 AM, mike/r via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yep, I should've been more clear. The 85K is annual, and H1-B
visas can potentially be in force for 6 years,
> All visas have a limited life span. Some can't be renewed; some can
be renewed by the applicant with their Sponsor?s agreement, and some
can/must be renewed by their Sponsor. I?ve seen someone say that H1B
visas have a 3-year term, and their SPONSOR (ie, their employer in
this case) can file to renew them. Given that the backlog for
Adjustment of Status for people from India are literally taking 10
years right now, it?s clear that there?s quite a long line of people
with multiple renewals of their visas pending their Adjustment (ie,
Green Card), far beyond 6 years.
>
> If the visa is not renewed for any reason, then the Adjustment of
Status filing gets cancelled and they?ll have to start over. For
someone from India, if their visa is not renewed in, say, year 9,
then everything has to restart from scratch.
>
>> so that's up to 510K. Somewhere around another 50% are issued to
entities outside the cap (education, government, and non-profit
research), so around 700K outstanding seems reasonable. Thanks for
clarifying.
>>
>
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:30:24 -0400
> From: Steve Litt <sl...@444domains.com>
> To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> "Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
>> Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
>> same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
>> software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
>> those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
>>
>> About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
>> about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
>> you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
>> this list that fee the same way.
>>
>> H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
>> skilled people right here.
> About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to
> have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
> talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
> raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
> came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
> exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
> levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
> measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
>
> You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
> Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked
> me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
> you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
> worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
> my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should
> be more like that.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 04:48:47 -0700
> From: "Ryan Petris" <r...@petris.net>
> To: PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
> Message-ID: <cbb0210a-ff4c-4bd1-88a0-84f2969d0...@app.fastmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Too bad we can't agree on things anymore... the Democrat platform
has become "not Trump" and "not whatever the Republicans are doing",
thus by definition we'll never agree on anything again. Democrats
will take the anti-Republican stance regardless of how absurd it is.
>
> That's probably already enough to get me in trouble so I'll stop there.
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, at 4:30 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
>> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> "Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
>>> Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
>>> same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
>>> software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
>>> those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
>>>
>>> About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
>>> about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
>>> you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
>>> this list that fee the same way.
>>>
>>> H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
>>> skilled people right here.
>> About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we
used to
>> have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
>> talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
>> raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
>> came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
>> exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
>> levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
>> measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
>>
>> You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
>> Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer
asked
>> me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
>> you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
>> worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
>> my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US
should
>> be more like that.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
>> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
>>
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> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 07:27:41 -0700
> From: techli...@phpcoderusa.com
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
> Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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> Steve, we have the uni-party. Go to Washington to get rich. I'm sure
> that effected policy and that is why so much is off shored.
>
> Liz Chaney entered congress worth $2mill and 4 years later was worth
> $4mil. Nancy Pelosi entered politics worth $3mil, 30 years ago and is
> worth $300mil today. Just two examples.
>
> Bad representation leads to bad policy.
>
>
>
> On 2025-07-03 04:30, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
>> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> "Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
>>> Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
>>> same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
>>> software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
>>> those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
>>>
>>> About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
>>> about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
>>> you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
>>> this list that fee the same way.
>>>
>>> H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
>>> skilled people right here.
>> About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we
used to
>> have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
>> talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
>> raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
>> came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
>> exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
>> levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
>> measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
>>
>> You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
>> Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer
asked
>> me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
>> you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
>> worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
>> my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US
should
>> be more like that.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
>> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
>>
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