Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 12:59:23 -0700
From: David Schwartz <newslett...@thetoolwiz.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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On Jul 2, 2025, at 8:58 AM, mike/r via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Yep, I should've been more clear. The 85K is annual, and H1-B
visas can potentially be in force for 6 years,
All visas have a limited life span. Some can't be renewed; some
can be renewed by the applicant with their Sponsor?s agreement,
and some can/must be renewed by their Sponsor. I?ve seen someone
say that H1B visas have a 3-year term, and their SPONSOR (ie,
their employer in this case) can file to renew them. Given that
the backlog for Adjustment of Status for people from India are
literally taking 10 years right now, it?s clear that there?s quite
a long line of people with multiple renewals of their visas
pending their Adjustment (ie, Green Card), far beyond 6 years.
If the visa is not renewed for any reason, then the Adjustment
of Status filing gets cancelled and they?ll have to start over.
For someone from India, if their visa is not renewed in, say, year
9, then everything has to restart from scratch.
so that's up to 510K. Somewhere around another 50% are issued
to entities outside the cap (education, government, and non-profit
research), so around 700K outstanding seems reasonable. Thanks
for clarifying.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:30:24 -0400
From: Steve Litt <sl...@444domains.com>
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During
the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and
location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is
illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made
a post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter
are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks
on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are
plenty of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we
used to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a
restaurant and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a
guy who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of
H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs
shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the
insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one
bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at
all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs
officer asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do
what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both
American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to
cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US
should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 04:48:47 -0700
From: "Ryan Petris" <r...@petris.net>
To: PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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Too bad we can't agree on things anymore... the Democrat
platform has become "not Trump" and "not whatever the Republicans
are doing", thus by definition we'll never agree on anything
again. Democrats will take the anti-Republican stance regardless
of how absurd it is.
That's probably already enough to get me in trouble so I'll stop
there.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, at 4:30 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During
the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and
location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is
illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made
a post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter
are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks
on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are
plenty of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we
used to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a
restaurant and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a
guy who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of
H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs
shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the
insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one
bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured
at all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my
Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs
officer asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can
do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both
American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to
cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The
US should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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