Well, I guess this is why political discussions on a Linux mailing list are such a great idea; calling people a bigot always makes the conversation super productive.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, at 1:11 PM, Paws Prime via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Ryan, > > No, you won't "get into trouble" by saying things in mailing lists like > the PLUG lists. But you also won't get a pass when you start spouting > some obviously MAGA inspired bothsidesing. Democrats have always been > the leaders in bipartisanship. Starting with Ronald Reagan, Republicans > have been the leaders in taking the position of "It's our way or the > highway for YOU!" > > A statement like "all politicians are crooks and liars," seeks to > equalize the vastly different levels of despicable concepts held by the > MAGA Righties and the Commie Lefties. Only bigoted Righties seem to be > unable to complain about the current administration's disregard for the > rights and due process guaranteed by the US Constitution for EVERYONE, > not just citizens. Only the Righties who want a US theocracy, rather > than a democracy, can be okay with Muslims, pro-choice advocates and > gays being targeted for punishment simply because they disagree with > Christian fanaticism. > > Honest Christians are charged with trying to emulate Jesus, which means > you should forgive and love even your enemies. > > Tim > > On 7/3/25 12:00, plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org wrote: > > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > plug-discuss-ow...@lists.phxlinux.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (David Schwartz) > > 2. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (Steve Litt) > > 3. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (Ryan Petris) > > 4. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (techli...@phpcoderusa.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 12:59:23 -0700 > > From: David Schwartz <newslett...@thetoolwiz.com> > > To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > > Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas > > Message-ID: <46628248-8e6a-4e44-aa88-c88fb1b85...@thetoolwiz.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > >> On Jul 2, 2025, at 8:58 AM, mike/r via PLUG-discuss > >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> > >> Yep, I should've been more clear. The 85K is annual, and H1-B visas can > >> potentially be in force for 6 years, > > All visas have a limited life span. Some can't be renewed; some can be > > renewed by the applicant with their Sponsor?s agreement, and some can/must > > be renewed by their Sponsor. I?ve seen someone say that H1B visas have a > > 3-year term, and their SPONSOR (ie, their employer in this case) can file > > to renew them. Given that the backlog for Adjustment of Status for people > > from India are literally taking 10 years right now, it?s clear that there?s > > quite a long line of people with multiple renewals of their visas pending > > their Adjustment (ie, Green Card), far beyond 6 years. > > > > If the visa is not renewed for any reason, then the Adjustment of Status > > filing gets cancelled and they?ll have to start over. For someone from > > India, if their visa is not renewed in, say, year 9, then everything has to > > restart from scratch. > > > >> so that's up to 510K. Somewhere around another 50% are issued to entities > >> outside the cap (education, government, and non-profit research), so > >> around 700K outstanding seems reasonable. Thanks for clarifying. > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:30:24 -0400 > > From: Steve Litt <sl...@444domains.com> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas > > Message-ID: <20250703073024.3dbe1...@mydesk.domain.cxm> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > > > On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700 > > Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> "Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in > >> Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the > >> same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for > >> software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as > >> those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal. > >> > >> About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post > >> about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are > >> you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on > >> this list that fee the same way. > >> > >> H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of > >> skilled people right here. > > About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to > > have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and > > talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who > > raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs > > came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't > > exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane > > levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad > > measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all). > > > > You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal > > Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked > > me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what > > you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American) > > worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel > > my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should > > be more like that. > > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 04:48:47 -0700 > > From: "Ryan Petris" <r...@petris.net> > > To: PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > > Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas > > Message-ID: <cbb0210a-ff4c-4bd1-88a0-84f2969d0...@app.fastmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Too bad we can't agree on things anymore... the Democrat platform has > > become "not Trump" and "not whatever the Republicans are doing", thus by > > definition we'll never agree on anything again. Democrats will take the > > anti-Republican stance regardless of how absurd it is. > > > > That's probably already enough to get me in trouble so I'll stop there. > > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, at 4:30 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700 > >> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> "Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in > >>> Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the > >>> same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for > >>> software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as > >>> those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal. > >>> > >>> About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post > >>> about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are > >>> you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on > >>> this list that fee the same way. > >>> > >>> H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of > >>> skilled people right here. > >> About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to > >> have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and > >> talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who > >> raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs > >> came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't > >> exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane > >> levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad > >> measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all). > >> > >> You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal > >> Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked > >> me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what > >> you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American) > >> worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel > >> my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should > >> be more like that. > >> > >> SteveT > >> > >> Steve Litt > >> Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > >> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.phxlinux.org/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20250703/21d0f21d/attachment-0001.htm> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 07:27:41 -0700 > > From: techli...@phpcoderusa.com > > To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> > > Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas > > Message-ID: <9564b55a00da80edb8bcf4f7115b5...@phpcoderusa.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > Steve, we have the uni-party. Go to Washington to get rich. I'm sure > > that effected policy and that is why so much is off shored. > > > > Liz Chaney entered congress worth $2mill and 4 years later was worth > > $4mil. Nancy Pelosi entered politics worth $3mil, 30 years ago and is > > worth $300mil today. Just two examples. > > > > Bad representation leads to bad policy. > > > > > > > > On 2025-07-03 04:30, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700 > >> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> "Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in > >>> Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the > >>> same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for > >>> software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as > >>> those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal. > >>> > >>> About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post > >>> about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are > >>> you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on > >>> this list that fee the same way. > >>> > >>> H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of > >>> skilled people right here. > >> About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used to > >> have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and > >> talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who > >> raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs > >> came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't > >> exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane > >> levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad > >> measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all). > >> > >> You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal > >> Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer asked > >> me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what > >> you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American) > >> worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel > >> my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US should > >> be more like that. > >> > >> SteveT > >> > >> Steve Litt > >> Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > >> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 241, Issue 2 > > ******************************************** > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >
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