If my info is right, your right. ;-) For cox it only goes down to the node, half a street or a whole or half a apartment complexes..I think..
Scott On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Eric Shubert <e...@shubes.net> wrote: > I think the problem Cox is trying to address is inherent in their > technology, namely that customers share bandwidth. DSL doesn't have this > issue (DSL has finer grained control). That's my understanding at any rate. > > Sharkscott wrote: > > I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download THAT much, but why > > 'pay' for when its someone else watching a thousand videos at once that > > is causing the network slowdown.. > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Eric Shubert <e...@shubes.net > > <mailto:e...@shubes.net>> wrote: > > > > Nicely said. I agree. > > > > kitepi...@kitepilot.com <mailto:kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote: > > > I think that this is being taken out of context... > > > I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... > > > er... > > > CUSTOMERS! :) > > > > > > Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks > > don care > > > about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage". > > > > > > Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact > > most of our > > > customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we > > "shape" the > > > line. > > > > > > I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but > > having seen > > > how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of > > "yellowish > > > journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and > > laziness to > > > get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few > > words from a > > > manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something > that > > > "sells"... > > > Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well... > > > > > > With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to > > change one > > > word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle. > > > > > > For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the > > obvious > > > ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how > > they convey > > > aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing > > "Shaping". > > > > > > You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or > > everything > > > is going to go Hell. > > > > > > The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine > priority. > > > VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after. > > > Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer. > > > Latency will kill a VoIP connection. > > > At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds. > > > > > > This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular... > > > > > > And IS NOT TRIVIAL. > > > In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets, > > never mind > > > if you are dealing with an encrypted connection... > > > > > > Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do > > severe or > > > throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for > > the network. > > > Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't > > have other > > > options. > > > > > > I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because > > Joe Hacker > > > downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand > > hackers over the > > > World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get > > their > > > share... > > > > > > It's a limited resource. > > > I explain that to my people too... > > > > > > Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox. > > > But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong > > path. > > > Enrique > > > > > > PS: Who knows here about shaping? > > > I need help... :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen P Rufle writes: > > > > > >> > > > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars > > >> --------------------------------------------------- > > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> > > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > > -Eric 'shubes' > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Scott Ruecker, > > Editor-in-Chief > > LXer Linux News > > > > "The world doesn't need saving. 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