Well said Enrique In fact I'm trying to do this on my own home network. (With not so good success right now)
I have a VOIP Phone, and I like to use P2P, so I'm trying to set up my network to Give High priority to My Voip, while slowing down the P2P, I also what my regular browsing to have precedence over P2P too. When a bittorrent connection gets going, it can take up all the bandwidth, leaving my browser to think I've lost the internet connection. LOL I'm still playing around with tc, but haven't found the right solution yet. Roadrunner used to cut Newsgroups to a crawl after a certain amount of data was transferred, no matter if it was prime time or a lull. Giving priority to stuff everyone wants, is a good idea, I don't mind waiting a little longer for my P2P to finish. But not Too Long. :-) What I don't want is the Soup Nazi controlling the bandwidth. NO SOUP FOR YOU !!! Replace SOUP with your favorite Protocol. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:45 AM To: stephen.p.ru...@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non"time sensitive" traffic I think that this is being taken out of context... I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... er... CUSTOMERS! :) Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don care about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage". Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact most of our customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we "shape" the line. I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but having seen how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of "yellowish journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and laziness to get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few words from a manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something that "sells"... Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well... With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to change one word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle. For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the obvious ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how they convey aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing "Shaping". You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or everything is going to go Hell. The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine priority. VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after. Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer. Latency will kill a VoIP connection. At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds. This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular... And IS NOT TRIVIAL. In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets, never mind if you are dealing with an encrypted connection... Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do severe or throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for the network. Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't have other options. I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because Joe Hacker downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand hackers over the World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get their share... It's a limited resource. I explain that to my people too... Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox. But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong path. Enrique PS: Who knows here about shaping? I need help... :( Stephen P Rufle writes: > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle- > for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
