>> why should my downloads from a P2P network... Apologies, I think I didn't make this clear. My customer can (and do) download whatever they want to, what I stop is Joe Annon downloading P2P stuff FROM my customer's puter.
>> rate limit your customers to their contracted rate and >> minimize over selling your bandwidth? This iss a pretty broad and dense statement. I don't know how may networks (or how big) you manage, but there is more than just "rate limiting". Never mind the wireless part... >> over selling your bandwidth? That's an even bigger can of worms and escape the purpose of my message, which is stir the discussion towards "Shaping" :) Enrique Shawn Badger writes: > I normally stay out of these, but I just want to ask why you don't rate > limit your customers to their contracted rate and minimize over selling your > bandwidth? I would that would prevent "joe the hacker" from bringing down > other customers in the first place. I don't have issues with stuff like VoIP > being given higher priority, but why should my downloads from a P2P network > suffer for someone watching a youtube video. > > just my 2cents > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:45 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com < > kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote: > >> I think that this is being taken out of context... >> I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... >> er... >> CUSTOMERS! :) >> >> Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don care >> about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage". >> >> Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact most of >> our >> customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we "shape" the >> line. >> >> I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but having >> seen >> how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of "yellowish >> journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and laziness to >> get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few words from >> a >> manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something that >> "sells"... >> Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well... >> >> With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to change one >> word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle. >> >> For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the obvious >> ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how they convey >> aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing "Shaping". >> >> You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or >> everything >> is going to go Hell. >> >> The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine priority. >> VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after. >> Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer. >> Latency will kill a VoIP connection. >> At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds. >> >> This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular... >> >> And IS NOT TRIVIAL. >> In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets, never mind >> if you are dealing with an encrypted connection... >> >> Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do severe or >> throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for the >> network. >> Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't have other >> options. >> >> I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because Joe Hacker >> downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand hackers over >> the >> World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get their >> share... >> >> It's a limited resource. >> I explain that to my people too... >> >> Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox. >> But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong path. >> Enrique >> >> PS: Who knows here about shaping? >> I need help... :( >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen P Rufle writes: >> >> > >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
