I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download THAT much, but why 'pay' for when its someone else watching a thousand videos at once that is causing the network slowdown..
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Eric Shubert <e...@shubes.net> wrote: > Nicely said. I agree. > > kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: > > I think that this is being taken out of context... > > I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... > > er... > > CUSTOMERS! :) > > > > Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don care > > about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage". > > > > Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact most of > our > > customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we "shape" the > > line. > > > > I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but having > seen > > how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of > "yellowish > > journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and laziness > to > > get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few words > from a > > manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something that > > "sells"... > > Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well... > > > > With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to change one > > word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle. > > > > For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the obvious > > ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how they convey > > aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing "Shaping". > > > > You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or > everything > > is going to go Hell. > > > > The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine priority. > > VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after. > > Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer. > > Latency will kill a VoIP connection. > > At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds. > > > > This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular... > > > > And IS NOT TRIVIAL. > > In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets, never > mind > > if you are dealing with an encrypted connection... > > > > Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do severe or > > throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for the > network. > > Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't have > other > > options. > > > > I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because Joe > Hacker > > downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand hackers over > the > > World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get their > > share... > > > > It's a limited resource. > > I explain that to my people too... > > > > Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox. > > But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong path. > > Enrique > > > > PS: Who knows here about shaping? > > I need help... :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen P Rufle writes: > > > >> > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- > -Eric 'shubes' > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Scott Ruecker, Editor-in-Chief LXer Linux News "The world doesn't need saving. But the word does, and copy editing is what fights the good fight."
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